I want to teach to my son of 3 years and half old the principle of
SVO-p without "Be". He is on is period of "I am...". Oooops,
I' ve just used the verb to be.
I mean he now uses a lot the verb "to be" as " I am..."
; walking on the street he says " this man is very fat...",
"waouh, this car is beautiful"...
Please do you have some advices??
you for sharing your process and for raising this issue.
In TTP we use SVO-p to help locate and to clarify our thinking - and to
honor each other with rich, clear and emotionally expressive language.
For example, I can say,
"I'm in a band."
If I eliminate the "am" in "I'm," the sentence falls apart. This
motivates an examination of the elements of my actual experience.
"I like the feelings I get during a jam session as we take our turns. I
like to take the lead and I also like to lay back while
someone else takes the lead. As we go round-and-round, I get
a deep sense of mutual respect and cooperation as we all hang out
together on the edge of now and co-create a common and deeply intimate expression."
Language that supports communicating deep and emotionally rich
experience also helps build rapport, as you reveal a little more of
your unique personality to others.
In applying TTP outside of Tribe meetings, we do not force others to
use SVO-p or other Tribe processes.
If you would teach SVO-p to children, you might do so gently, and by
You might follow on with "I wonder how you feel about fat people ...
and what you like about the car."
You might also share your feeling, using SVO-p, about
<fat> and <cars>.
Forcing children to follow rules mostly teaches them how to force people to follow rules.
I feel a sense of floaty anticipation in my forehead as I
check FAQ and see no update yet for 2016.
I continue to feel the positive impact of Tribe, the PR Tribe in
particular and the relationships that I enjoy with fellow Tribe
members. The positive feelings seem to be present throughout my life, a
warm light in my chest, calmly glowing.
When I pause
to consider my life as it relates to Tribe, I also continue to notice
greater intimacy building in my relationships with my wife, and
children and greater feeling of satisfaction in rendering service to
others through my work.
This is a trend that coincides with the beginning of the San Juan
Lately, "stressful" situations just seem to lead me to ask myself what
about them I wanted and how I engineer them. Sometimes I find I’m
asking myself these questions and feeling the answers while the
situations are unfolding. From personal life to work, the
stressful situations seem more and more transitory and separate from
"me", less painful more intentional. I get to choose what to do and
choose while considering my intensions. Heart Rock works.
Recently I notice that my wife and I reflect on an ongoing, stressful
situation between my ex wife and us regarding custody of my daughter.
As the situation develops, my wife asks me if I have considered that
maybe I want the situation, maybe all four of us do...
This leads my wife and I to a very pro-active way of managing our
behavior and we end up having a laugh as we navigate what has
previously been an unpleasant drama for us. We recognize how we use the
drama to feel alienated from each other, trapped, interfered with and
alone. By looking at intentions = results or results = intentions we
begin diffuse the drama by sharing our feelings, in the now, and grow
closer in the process.
I notice that my daughter is growing notably less anxious and more
engaged as well. As I write this, the objective facts of the situation
remain more or less unchanged yet our perceptions of the situation and
the feelings are very different and surprisingly positive. I sense a
positive resolution is imminent.
The Tribe work we did on confrontation and avoiding conflict and
keeping commitments is also showing up in my results. I've re-designed
a first new iteration my website after years of procrastination and
taken care of many loose ends with taxes, accounting and planning that
I previously avoided.
I feel warm feelings and a smile on my face as I think of you and the
massive contribution you have made to my life and so many
I hope that you are well and that you are realizing your snapshot and
engaged in the supportive relationships you want to have. I would like
you to know that you may call on me for support of your process any
you for sharing your process, and your progress and for acknowledging
Don't Get It
Pretty well everyone in my Tribes seems to get the idea of the original
hot seat process. Ramp up the feeling with the support of the tribe,
reach a peak of intensity and experience an 'aha' or perhaps catharsis.
Some people feel reluctant to fully experience the feeling and may snap
out of that, but we understand that easily as unwillingness or fear.
process is a different matter. Some people just oppose it and cannot
say why. Others say they "just don't get it".
assume this happens also due to unwillingness or fear, or perhaps they
don't want their bad acting skills exposed. Recently I come across a
set of ideas that seem to help explain it, from a
suggestion by a friend - Robert Kegan's theory of cognitive development.
There are summaries -
and here https://meaningness.wordpress.com/
and even a short - 90 minutes to read - book summarizing them here
"The Discerning Heart: The Developmental Psychology of Robert Kegan" by
Philip M Lewis.
Very briefly and crudely the scheme consists of 6 levels with some
similarites with Piaget's scheme:
Level 0: infant as undifferentiated mas of feelings, unaware of
his/herself as a separate being
Level 1: small child aware of others but in thrall to his/her own
Level 2: primary school to early teenager - aware of others but largely
sees others as means to its own ends. Loves others for what they do for
the person. Has trouble taking very seriously his/her own feelings at
other times than now eg it would be good to go to bed now or you feel
tired in the morning.
Level 3: later teenager to adult - fully buys into others as feeling
beings, can think about him/herself at other times and that can be as
real as current feelings. Can work for long term objectives because how
they expect to feel after graduating is very real to them, experiences
romantic love, very invested in the opinions of the peer group, often
very idealistic etc.
However the person is still within those feelings and has difficulty
thinking about them very clearly. People at this level tend to mirror
peer group opinions very closely, have trouble saying 'no' to demands
from other people, and tend to expect that a romantic partner will be
totally compatible and will share all opinions and interests. These
people tend also to be highly invested in one or more demanding and
intense social environments such as the teenage peer group.
Level 4: later adult (~50% of adults reach this level) - still fully
engaged with his/her feelings but able to step back and think about
them more clearly. Comfortable with a romantic relationship where there
are differences. Able to have their own opinions distinct from the peer
group. Able to think about how they feel - not totally enmeshed in
them. An example might be a person who can make a difficult decision to
have a pet put down when its suffering becomes too much for the pet. A
level 3 person may be unable to let the pet go.
Level 5 is a more advanced level and less clearly defined; not much
relevant to this email.
I think that perhaps the rocks process requires elements of level 4
thinking. When going through this process you need to step outside how
you feel in the primal situation and say "Actually I would like to feel
and to process these events differently". If you are fully
embedded in these feelings, this would seem inconceivable and would not
make sense. Other participants also need to understand this to various
I think most of my tribe members including me function at level 3.x,
mostly close enough to 4 to get through the rocks process, but perhaps
the reason some can't is that they are closer to level 3.
Kegan has a book to assist with evaluating people, but generally other
people are pretty easy to evaluate. As always do-it-myself is a lot
harder. Most people think they are at a higher level than they are
I am looking
for tools to help people develop these skills. Kegan's
book "The Evolving Self: Problem and Process in Human Development" has
some material on this particularly in the chapter about adult education.
possible approach would be to find a way to get people through the
process while somehow shielding them from these more complex ideas.
Currently our tribe is in recess and we resume again in February 2016.
Some of us are having a snapshot session next week.
May you have a healthy, successful and happy 2016.
you for raising these issues.
Currently, in TTP we use the Zero-Point Process (abreaction and
catharsis) sparingly and mostly as a didactic example.
I recall in early Tribe work, people using Zero-Point medicinally, to
make feelings go away, at least for a while.
This leads to people showing up, meeting after meeting with signature
forms, ready to express their way through to catharsis.
Currently, we use the first part of the Zero-Point process
pro-actively, to ramp up feelings. We then interrupt the
process and ask the client to freeze his feelings so as to identify a
critical event, locate rocks and, ultimately, to reprogram them.
For more on these developments, see TTP Extensions,
available as a free download on this site and also as a hard-copy
pamphlet in the store.
I do not notice people in my Tribes opposing the Rocks process or
saying "they just don't get it" or citing "fear of exposing acting
skills" or resorting to theories to explain "it."
Mostly, people must demonstrate willingness and motivation to gain an
invitation to attend my Tribe meetings; once they show up,
they get right into it, deeply and productively.
The Process Manager runs the process according to the plan, and without
trying to manage the client's feelings, such as "providing tools," or
"helping people get through the process," or "shielding them from
You might consider taking your feelings about <managing other
peoples' feelings> and <letting the process run out of
control> to Tribe as entry points.
when deciding on whether to do a trade do you factor in whether a
currency is weak or strong
you for raising this issue.
The methods, "deciding on whether" and "factoring in" pertain to
discretionary trading, fundamental analysis and guessing.
In Systematic Trend Trading, we stick to the system and keep pulling the
trigger, regardless of what we think and feel about the markets.
I think I found the answer for my previous question.
I realize that the harsh strong tone and facial expression I use to
express my anger might actually keep people from acknowledging my
It actually triggers people's fear, resentment and draw their attention
away from listening to my unhappiness. I shoot my own foot in this way.
So my work is to find out the optimal risk, in the form of
tone, voice, facial expression, to best share my unhappiness feelings.
It's somewhere between timid and bold. Being sincere probably is more
efficient than being harsh.
And the focus must be to share my feelings and seek acknowledgement of
feeling itself, not for using it to control or change other people's
you for sharing your process and your insights.
According to Joan Rivers, "Anger
is a symptom, a way of cloaking and expressing feelings too awful to
experience directly - hurt, bitterness, grief, and, most of all, fear."
In TTP, we hold anger as the feeling that associates with boundary
violation. We have a choice. We can react to anger medicinally,
typically through acts of violence or rage; we can react to anger pro-actively,
by establishing rapport and sharing underlying feelings.
Hope all is well with you. Please up-date the Orlando Trading Tribe
info as attached.
for keeping your Tribe Information up to date for the TT Tribe
I met you in Larkspur at a seminar in 1989 or 1990. Also met [Name]
then. I took your advice and found my own path. I credit your 1% bet
with allowing me to succeed. Just thought I would check in and say
thank you. While I don't do the breathing meditation you had us work
on, I do practice yoga as well exercise as much as possible. If you are
ever in Chicago please look me up. Hope you are well and are enjoying
life and the markets are good to you. Best
you for sharing your process and for acknowledging the work.
I am a new fan of TT and just joined the Orlando Tribe. I have read
your TT book and I am going through your FAQ's. Thank you for all your
help. You are doing a massively good thing for the world. I am very
hopeful of new insights from your FAQs and the Tribe. I have been
meditating for quite a few years and found it to be useful to help with
relaxation and introspection.
I have rarely found it to help with the type of deep insights and
breakthroughs that Tribe members accomplish. Essentially it is a DIM
I have been reading references to Breathwork. I want to learn more
about this. Should this be done through the books you recommend or is
there a better way to learn?
you for raising this issue.
You can find many references to Breathwork on the Web.
Occasionally, I host a TT Breathwork, similar to Grof-Style Breathwork,
with the addition of some Tribe-specific goal-centric group-support
Wants to Join
Hello Mr. Seykota
... I live in Mississauga Ontario, Canada
I became aware of the tribe groups by reading the
book Trend Followers.
I would like to joint a tribe
but I am not sure if there
is one in Canada.
I would appreciated if you could response to me and provide me with
information of how to joint.
you for raising this issue.
You can check the Tribe Directory for listings near you.
You may also start your own Tribe.
Hitting a Truck
In the afternoon of the same day I send you this email about process of
death experience, I get into a car accident.
It is raining and I am making a right turn on a non-stop/yielding right
turn ramp, and am watching the through traffic on the left.
The truck in front of me makes a sudden slow down and I hit its rear
My Fred detects the danger and start stepping hard on the brake while
my mind still watching if there's traffic on the other merging lane on
the left. I stomp the brake to the end and can't stop the skid. I watch
myself hitting the truck before me. At that moment, I feel powerless,
helpless, frustration and sadness of ruining my generally good driving
record. But not much fear.
you for sharing your process.
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