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Mon, 27 Feb 2006

 

Graduating from IVTT


Hi Ed,

I am not going to be at the tribe meeting this Thursday. I decide to stay in [City] and not renew my apartment lease in South Lake Tahoe. I miss my friends and family too much to stay another 6 months.

 

My experience with The Trading Tribe is incredible.

Please extend my thanks to all of the IV-TT members for their support and encouragement. I intend to share TTP with everyone in my area who shows an interest.

 

Please post my name and e-mail address in the directory for [City]. I intend to honor the commitments I make to The Trading Tribe.

 

Thank you for sharing TTP with the world and thank you for being such a gracious host. I intend to send you my write-up for the last tribe meeting as soon as possible. My grandmother died a short while ago and I have been attending to family matters.

Sincerely,

Thank you for sharing your process, your self and for contributing to the evolution of the work.

 

 

Transitions

 

are generally from one self

to another.

 

 

Tue, 28 Feb 2006

 

Chess Problem

 

White to mate in two moves

 

OK.

 

 

 

Sometimes the Receiver

 

discovers the gift comes with strings.

 

 

Clip: http://www.thomasfuchs.com/site/

concept/gift.jpg 

Tue, 28 Feb 2006
 

News Groups

Ed,

Do you have any plans of setting up newsgroups with various topics in future? That way experienced people can answer some questions. Of course, you are the ultimate judge to decide what goes into each newsgroup.

Thanks

I don't know how to do things in the future.

 

Tue, 28 Feb 2006
 

Hotseat Recap - Frustration

Hi Ed,

My last hotseat session centers around the issue of frustration. I continually present a snapshot with a common theme, yet in the real world my actions do nothing to support the ownership of my snapshot. I am frustrated and angry with myself.

The tribe encourage me to get into the feeling of frustration. I recall showing a grimace, squeezing my head and stretching out my body. My conscience mind kicks in as I question how or why this has anything to do with my issue. The process manager continues to encourage me to get into the feelings, however I feel I am yet again suppressing something.

 

I then notice that the person sitting a few seats away is drumming lightly. Boy does that p..s me off. I tell the tribe manager the drumming is annoying and the tribe jump all over me. As the tribe encourage me to get more into the feeling of annoyance I notice that it is quite easy for me to tune out the drumming (by now the entire tribe is drumming). This stuffing of feelings is a knot I address often on the hotseat.

The process manager asks if I am willing to go forward. It pains me to say yes, but at the same time I know this is a huge issue for me and I agree to continue. As the tribe continues to drum I get into the annoyance feeling yet again. The annoyance I feel turns into anger.

 

The process manager encourages me to display the feeling associated with anger. I stand up and shout at the tribe to stop. It feels good to get out the anger and express it, however it also seems very unnatural. I consider myself a quiet, easy going person and tend to avoid conflict. In the end I struggle through asking each tribe member to stop drumming and eventually they do.

The hotseat I go through is a long one and extends well over an hour. For the first time I allow annoyance to turn into anger and subsequently acknowledge my feelings. Without the support of the tribe there is no way I could ever achieve that myself.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

 

Experiencing  feelings

 

of anger

 

 

 

 

... may help eliminate the need

 

for violence.

 

 

Clips:

http://www.staleywise.com/

collection/piel/big/frustration

 

http://webpages.ursinus.edu/

daduffy/Portfolio/ESS%20265/Duffy_Web/

images/Anger.JPG

Mon, 27 Feb 2006

Hot Seat Follow up

Hi Ed,

I hope you are well. My hot seat follows:

The tribe meeting begins and upon conclusion of the
drumming I notice strong feelings of anxiety and
tingling in my chest. This is the same feeling I had
during the snapshot process earlier in the afternoon.
I tend to get anxious making presentations and being
in front of groups of people. I do not like this
feeling.


I get into TTP with the help of the process manager.
Soon I'm into forms of stretching, rubbing the legs,
and heavy breathing. I realize these forms are all too
familiar, things I used to do before races when I swam
competitively.

 

I also know I used to hate when people
would come watch me swim, it made me very
uncomfortable. I experience these forms and begin to
enjoy them.


I understand it's ok to be nervous presenting to
people. I used to feel nervous and try to hide it from
those to whom I was presenting. This action fed on
itself creating a drama where it was almost like I was
keeping this secret from everyone and I had to do
everything necessary to make sure they didn't know I
was nervous. I would get become red in the face,
sweat, and speak way too quickly. I intend to now
share my feelings with people who I present to rather
than set up uncomfortable situations for everyone
present.

Best,

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

 

If you got it

 

flaunt it.

 

 

 

If you don't got it

 

flaunt it anyway.

 

Someone might think you got it.

 

 

Clips:

http://www.menshealth.gr/id/files/

14904/lefterhs-speedo-eksoxiko.jpg

 

http://www.chicus.com/images/

santa_speedo/our_group.jpg

Mon, 27 Feb 2006
 

The Trading Tribe book

Give us a clue! I cant find it anywhere.

hope you're enjoying yourself.

Kind regards

Check the link above. 

Mon, 27 Feb 2006

Down 6 Stone

About me:

I am of Indian (Hindu) origin.


My background is in Mathematics and Computer Science. Most of my professional life I have worked as a Systems Designer / Programmer.

I have always been interested in the Markets and when
I read the Market Wizards I got hooked. I have ever
since been on a journey to figure out the Markets.
 

This interest has become an obsession and in the last
three years it has become a total way of life as I
have studied my approach at trading the Futures
market. I trade the FTSE Futures contract and the
e-mini S&P. A lot of what I have been doing
right / wrong is now better understood by studying the
FAQ & The Trading Tribe. I am now aware of the
importance of systemizing my efforts and working on my inner psychology.

I have always sought after anything written by Ed. I
have been searching for Ed’s first book “The Trader’s
Window” in vain. Glad to learn new version will be out
soon. I came to learn about the Trading Tribe via
Michael Covel’s ‘Trend Following’. I came across the
Trading Tribe web site in early January which has been
a big turning point in my Trading Life.

I am now using TTS to consolidate my ideas about
System Design and TTP to better understand my inner
psychology.

I practice Yoga, Meditation and follow the principles
of Ayurveda (6000 yr old Vedic Health System). This
has transformed me from a 15 stone overweight
individual with chronic ailments (Arthritis,
Backaches, Headaches) to a 9 stone individual with no
ailments and tons of vigour to pursue my calling –
Trading.
I also spend a little time every weekend
teaching children who fear math to love it.

I want to excel in my true passion – Trading! But
there is not much difference between Life & Trading –
is there?

I am learning about System Design from TTS & FAQ, but I know I have to experience TTP to the full to allow
FRED his full _expression – which I hope will lead to
Right Livelihood.

If there are any unanswered questions please feel free
to ask.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

1 stone = 14 pounds, so you are now at 126 pounds, down 84 pounds from 210 pounds.

 

 

Mon, 27 Feb 2006

 

WHY C+?

Dear Ed,

Many times you have referred to the language C+ in order to create a sw to trade in financial markets. I think this may be good. However, why have you never referred to sw already existent like for instance Tradestation or Metastock? Do you think that they can't give you the necessary freedom to create a trading program?

Many thank for your reply.

Sincerely,

Many commercial packages work fairly well for examining a single system on a single instrument trading a constant amount. 

 

To simulate interactive portfolios with multiple systems, multiple instruments, multiple entry and exit points - that also respond to upswings and drawdowns in equity, you may have to write your own simulator.

 

I am currently writing my applications in C#.

 

 

 

 

C# views C++ pointers

 

as intentionally unsafe.

 

 

Sun, 26 Feb 2006
 

Workshop Snapshot Materializes +

Incline Village Trading Tribe Visit Report

Hi Chief and the Tribe Community,  Been a while since the January workshop, but I wanted to share my experiences there, my visit to the Incline Village tribe, and my subsequent local tribe meeting.

My strongest impressions from the workshop

- Learning from experienced TTP practitioners

- Being inspired by newbies jumping into TTP

- My first experience with the snapshot process.

My snapshot at the workshop was me with a bunch of
kids benefiting from my eduational foundation.


Lo and behold, a few days later I was recruited
to be on the board of directors of an educational
foundation that was just starting up. I'm now
on that board of directors!


Observing the relative levels of willingness of everyone, myself included, and seeing how t is really fundamental. TTP doesn't work without willingness, and the more willingness there is, the greater the results.

Learning to be careful to not send out my feelings while being a process manager, e.g. frustration with the slow pace. Just encourage and let the sender experience whatever he/she is experiencing, and in whatever manner it manifests itself.

Impression from my visit to the IV Tribe

Snapshot process:


I had my hot buttons pushed when getting feedback.
Could feel my defensiveness. Good entry point fodder.

I was struck by how the giving of feedback and championing of snapshots says something about the person sending.

TTP Session:


I was blown away by the skillfulness and artistry
of Ed integrating "talking" with TTP. At the tail
end of one hot seat session, Ed was able to "talk"
out scenarios and options with the sender. Not exactly
textbook TTP, but clearly extremely effective because
of Ed's deep experience with the technology.

On my own hot seat session, I discover the true
meaning of "enjoying". I went through several iterations of feeling my feelings and surfing the edge, each iteration with a very heightened sense of intensity that I normally experience on the hot seat.

On the last iteration I felt like I was calmly floating on a wispy & ephemeral cloud. WOW!!!

Experiences at My Subsequent Local Tribe meeting

To my surprise, my entry point came from championing another person's snapshot. The snapshot was similar to a goal of mine and it triggered feelings of fear.

While on the hot seat I had a few typical iterations
of surfing the edge and I finally reached that surfing/floating on a cloud feeling again! I'm really liking this!

Thank you for sharing your process and for documenting your Workshop and IVTT experiences.

Sun, 26 Feb 2006

 

Down 60 pounds.

My Before and After Pictures


Ed writes:
"You might consider including before and after photos of yourself - as stunning proof of your ability to stick to a winning system."


Here you go, Ed. These photos aren't of the snazzy shirtless variety you feature on the FAQ. I guess now that I am leaner (and continuing to trim) I might get used to the idea of posing while wearing less.

The 0206 photo is a picture of me this afternoon in the back yard. The 1104 photo is from around the time of the November 2004 workshop. The setting is the wine country of California as my wife and I tour around the area before the workshop. The 0605 photo is from a trip to Jamaica in June of 2005. That is me looking pretty windblown, sunburned, and heavy about one month before I commit to my fitness plan.

As of the date of the Jamaica photo I weigh between 250-255 pounds. As of today I weigh 194 pounds. I intend to continue my new lifestyle indefinitely. My weight likely stabilizes around whatever the appropriate level is for my individual body without too much change in eating or exercise habits. Given the rate of my fat loss so far, my body type and frame, and my current physical condition, I estimate that my proper weight might be somewhere between 170-180 pounds.

I am fine with posting these photos on FAQ. It may be difficult to publish them without revealing my identity. You can blot out the face, but I think that hides one of the areas that shows the most change.

 

 

November 2004

Attends the TTP Workshop

 

 

June 2005

Makes the Commitment to Health

 

 

 

February 2006

Now - Sticking to the System

 

02/06

Thanks for the support!

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

And for demonstrating the power of willingness.

 

 

Willingness to stick to a system

tends to pay off big time

 

in losing weight,

rock climbing,

trading the markets

and life in general.

 

 

Clip: http://www.100plusposters.com/

PerseveranceCliffHanger.html

 

 

Sun, 26 Feb 2006

 

Feel Like Writing to You

Hello Ed,

I just feel like writing to you, like many people on the FAQ I trust you but you are not a model to me, the only model is what I am experiencing in developing the system.

Not sure if you remember me, I tell you before that I am creating a chart that matches how the system I am trading works, everything I stand for depends on creating it and no matter it works or not and from there I will keep trying.

I recently read a book called ‘The Logical Trader’ by Mark Fisher, this book is really good in explaining how to trade using time based charts but as I went through it I could not swallow the information because I use price only to trade and do not use time and his method is based on time and price, I decide to stick to what I know and take it from there, am I wrong?

 

I take so many ideas from trend following as a method and apply it in a way that does not use time as a measure and therefore but use price intervals only.

Am I stubborn? I don’t want to fail because of stubbornness but I think this is not stubbornness, it maybe a long shot but creating a new kind of chart that matches my trading system is possible and is needed by my system so therefore it is not me who decides not to use time to measure trends, it is the system that needs this.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

You might consider taking your feelings about developing a unique system to your Tribe as entry points.

 

You might also consider running historical simulations on your system to see how how it compares with conventional approaches.

 

 

 

Comparing Things

 

is a standard method

for finding the good stuff.

 

Clip:

http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/edtech/

images/jpglbry/Food/foods/compare.jpg


Sun, 26 Feb 2006

 

Thoughts on the System Model

God trades his trending self!

Hi Ed,

Thank you for your elaboration of the system model in your Feb. 9 post. I ask you to elaborate some more if you’re willing, in response to the points I make below:

1) Paraphrasing your paragraph 5, it seems that you say: A causal model can be a useful approximation of a system, and it is initially created by ignoring elements with small effects. Can you offer insight into what elements have been ignored in western legal / political systems, and in general the playing of the “judgment” game, that make those causal models as “soul-killing” as they often are?

2) In paragraphs 9 and 10 (the last two), you say that a system changes when elements change their internal response (processing) to reception. Why do you exclude system changes as a result of elements changing what they send?

 

If “manipulation” is defined as changing what is sent without changing the processing of what is received, I still don’t exactly see why changing what is sent would fail to change the system. I DO see the effects on the individual element that manipulates: there is a “break” in integrity between what is received and what is sent within that element. Would you say that, for a person, such a break has the effect of isolating the person from the flow of the system? If one is isolated from the system he can neither gain, nor lose, from the flow of the system; is that correct?

3) What are systems then ultimately composed of? Is there free will? I assume that elements that can “change” can do so only because they themselves are systems. If you keep breaking things down into smaller system you have to eventually get to a simplified system level whose elements can’t change, i.e., can’t be broken down further into sub-systems. I wonder, can it be shown, perhaps, that a system cannot exist without having changeable elements, except one in which all possible states are definable? What does this say about us.

 

Can we really change? Can we direct change within ourselves? Do you perhaps see the full development of a human as simply the complete untying of all k-nots that hamper total reception of the wider system, following by the unadulterated flow of the system through that human? Given that, what is “intention” then?

What underlies most of my post is the question: is there free will, and if not, what is “intention.” I have thought about this before and concluded that a desire for “free will” is a desire to have that part of us that “intends things” to lie outside the system, really, to be some sort of supernatural soul that can operate on the system of the real world yet be isolated from it. Of course, there’s no more reason to believe such a thing than there is to believe there’s some guy with a beard floating around in space who wants us to be a member of whatever religion we’re arbitrarily born into.

The notion that what I “am” is not “me” but rather just an element of the system (but a nice element—one that has consciousness: an element that can see and act within and on the system) - well, it sometimes makes me feel small and powerless and anything BUT free - until I realize that, more accurately, it makes me nothing other than EVERYTHING! I see this as it relates to trading (hey, “everything’s” gotta eat, too) as typical trading attempting to be outside the system and controlling/predicting it vs being IN the system by going with the flow of trends. So, I guess I can go from feeling small and powerless to being GOD: being everything and conscious of it too! God trades his trending self!

Thank you for presenting some of the essential puzzles at the current core of physics and philosophy. 

 

I do not claim to know the right solutions for you.  I can, however share my own current thinking on these matters. 

 

You might consider taking the feelings of these puzzles to your Tribe as entry points - to help find your own answers - and perhaps help to extend the boundaries of science a little further out into the mystery.

 

-----

 

My best guesses, so far:

 

The causal notions of blame, guilt, and right-wrong provide essential support for the Western legal / political system.  The system model, lacking these elements, does not provide such support.

 

A model, a mental convenience to facilitate thinking and imagination. A system model assists us think about how a structure of components generates various modes of behavior.

 

The transfer function of a component describes the way it generates output in response to its  inputs.  Another name for transfer function is policy

 

In TTP we intend to gain control of our personal policies by untying k-nots that aim our policies toward re-living situations that entrain feelings we don't like.

 

The choice of what components to include in a model depends upon the purpose of the model and the level of aggregation.  For example:

A driver's model of his car generally ignores the interplay of pistons, valves and cams in the engine.  A mechanic, however, may find these to be key elements in understanding how the engine operates, although he may ignore the elastic properties of steel.  A materials design engineer, however, may consider how the individual molecules behave under various conditions of pressure and temperature.

I wonder what element  you consider to be the ultimate smallest one. The official scientific answer keeps migrating toward smaller and smaller (atoms, protons & electrons, quarks, etc.).

 

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (1927) states that in the moment of now, you cannot know both the position and momentum of a particle.

 

This profoundly contradicts the causality model; The causality model implies that if you know the present dynamic, you can predict the future.  If, as Heisenberg claims,  you can't know the present dynamic, then the causality model never applies.

 

Schrödinger's earlier attempt at this puzzle formulates charge density as an electron wave function.  Max Born arrives to declare that the function has to be a probability wave function.

 

According to Heisenberg, we may not predict the future; we may, however, compute probabilities.  Heisenberg does not say life is uncertain; Heisenberg says certainty has limits.

 

 

The "free-will" model and the "deterministic" model are likely life-style models - neither necessarily have anything to do with mathematics or with real life.  They have to do with life-style preferences.

 

Pro-active, successful types may embrace the free-will model as it gives them a "reason" for taking credit for how events evolve.

 

Others may embrace the deterministic model as it gives them a "reason" they don't have to take responsibility for how things turn out.

 

In the system (responsibility) model, the distinction is moot; you know your intentions by your results. 

 

If you want to increase your personal scope, you learn to work within the system; you develop a personal transfer functions that manifest your intentions.

 

 

 

Schrödinger's Cat

is a curious animal

 

whose intention to live or die

depends on someone else

finding out

by looking at it.

 

Clips:

http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p08c.htm

 

 http://www.howe.k12.ok.us/

~jimaskew/shrodcat.gif

Sat, 25 Feb 2006
 

Simple Support and Resistance Tutorial

Dear Ed,

I have successfully completed 'Simple Exponential Cross Over' tutorial to the penny. Currently, I am working on 'Simple Support and Resistance System' tutorial. All the java code for this tutorial is complete. But when testing this tutorial with the Gold Data everything is fine up to 78-11-28. But from 78-11-29 to 78-12-20 the security is in downtrend with the fast lag lower than slow lag. I have pasted a few lines along with the slow and fast lags.

[Metrics] 78-11-28-T Px:[736.20 736.80 731.70 732.40] [Slow:789.60/720.50 Fast:789.60/731.70 T: 1] 746.90 747.41
[Metrics] 78-11-29-W Px:[733.20 738.20 731.30 731.60] [Slow:789.60/720.90 Fast:787.00/731.30 T:-1] 746.68 745.90
[Metrics] 78-11-30-H Px:[732.20 734.00 730.60 732.60] [Slow:789.60/721.10 Fast:771.00/730.60 T:-1] 746.48 744.63
[Metrics] 78-12-01-F Px:[732.20 736.60 732.00 736.30] [Slow:789.60/721.90 Fast:763.90/730.60 T:-1] 746.33 743.83

Because of the downtrend from 78-11-29 to 78-12-20, my system is taking one short position as shown below from my 'Traders Log' file:

Inst Units Entry Exit Cash
-------- ------ ------------------------ ------------------ ------------
GC----C -1300 78-11-30 730.95 -1300 78-12-18 753.70 1,430,605.0

Since my 'Simple Exponential Cross Over' worked perfectly there could be errors in data or my rounding logic. To check the rounding logic, I tried in Excel and also coded a few functions in C/C++. But the results are same. Also, I downloaded from your website Gold Continuous data on November 16th, 2005 that has fast and slow lags. This file confirms that this security is in downtrend for the same period. But your latest results Oct 15, 2005 shows the security is in uptrend. I spent several hours on this issue but could not resolve it.

Is it possible for you to share your metrics log file with slow and fast lags? Second, can you share your rounding logic?

As a separate note, I have implemented 'Simple Exponential Cross Over' technique in real life and finding it great success. I have taken positions in SMDI, CVA, KFX, CAMT, DESC, PLNR, NITE, SMF, ININ, TRCI etc., and riding the trend.

My sincere thanks to you for all the help.

I am currently preparing software to support the extension of TSP.  I am also open to an associate editor / apprentice to assist with this work. 

 

Also, if readers have a study that fits with the flow of TSP, you may send it in.

Sat, 25 Feb 2006
 

Book Review and Errata

My comments on the Book: The Trading Tribe.

Pleasure reading a book devoid of padding it gets at
the heart of the matter without deviation, repetition,
or hesitation.

The book hits home the message – “not much difference between Life & Trading, Trading & Life”.

The Book has no index. I have written Index for three
books. I volunteer to write an Index for this wonderful book.

The notion of Emotional Instrument Panel is brought in
through the back door, very important concept which
should be defined on the onset. I finished reading the
book and I know something about my Emotional
Instrument Panel. Now I want to press the buttons and
fully accept the feelings!

Errata:
Page 68: Last paragraph.
He just sits there is a state
Should be He just sits there in a state

Best Wishes,

If you would like to prepare an index, I can post it to this site.  I am currently preparing a sequel book about TTP and it, too, can use an index.

 

Thank you for the catch. For a full list of errata, (five so far) click.

 

 

Google

 

is essentially

 

a multi-billion-dollar

index.

 

Sat, 25 Feb 2006

A Stone in the Pit of my Stomach

Dear Ed,

I thoroughly enjoy reading The Trading Tribe. I am on
my second reread.


I want to start a Tribe here in [City]. I sent my details but they do not appear in the tribe directory.  Could you please add [my] details in the tribe directory?

Reading the book being an avid reader of FAQ implies
my Trading style and results are different. I am
removing the chaff from the wheat.


Yes, 90% of what I have been doing for the last three
years is ritualistic / dramatic and the effective 10% is
certainly all about identifying the trend and going
with it. My focus has changed from heavy bias on
Analysis to bias on personal growth and my attitude to
others, slowly a certain heavy stone in the pit of my
stomach is disintegrating.


Thank You,

Thank you for sharing your process. 

 

 

Stones in the Stomach

 

Sometimes they disappear

by slow disintegration.

 

Sometimes they disappear

in a flash of insight and laughter,

per the aha-haha.

 

 

Clip: http://www.detectiveservices.com.au/

content/caseStudies/caseStudyA.asp

Sat, 25 Feb 2006

Facing the Issues

Ed,

I don't know how to say this, but I'm going to give it a shot, because I owe you.

Every time I start to write to say something, or ask a question, I see your face, and hear your voice. It's like your spirit is with me.

I realize the grand design of my life is up to me, and it'll be exactly what it is NOW until I make it different. Making my life different starts with identifying my intentions, clarifying a snapshot, developing the willingness and courage to act (feel), and then asking others to assist and support me in the creation of my goals.

I don't have any questions. I just want to say thank you.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

 

This Banjo Player

 

bears a remarkable resemblance

to a younger me.

 

Sat, 25 Feb 2006

 

Just Curious 

No problem. It's a pleasure to read the FAQ. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us. I feel very grateful.

I have been reviewing old FAQ pages for a while and jotting down notes, starting from the very first FAQ in Nov '02. Recently I start a commitment to read two old FAQ pages every week. I feel pleased and inspired when I read, and sometimes I do more than two pages a week - there's no reason to stop when I feel great learning. I'm now at October 1-10 of 2004.

Thanks Ed.

P.S.


A minor typo (I assume): Feb 14, 2006 "After attending the May 2006 workshop..."

May 2006 is in the non-existent future.

You might consider putting your favorites into a Brief History of Now.

 

Thank you for the catch.

 

 

It's Still and Forever

 

Now.

 

CLip: http://www.goodhandarts.com/

itemImages/md/250-2130-now.jpg


Sat, 25 Feb 2006

 

Drumming speaks louder than words?

Ed,

I am writing to share my hotseat experience with the [Name] tribe earlier this week.

Lately we have been using drums rather than words to create positive reinforcement and the result has been a different kind of hot seat experience.

Drumming seems to get the person on the hot seat into their forms much quicker than verbal feedback - there is something about the rhythm that seems to shut the conscious mind off and let the unconscious mind (Fred?) roam free.

I am a relative newcomer to the hot seat experience but I know that my hot seat this week was very different from my previous experiences.

I tell the Tribe that I have been feeling stressed out lately - work, family, usual kind of thing. Another tribe member says he feels like he is on a breakout - I feel like I am stuck in a trading range.

The Tribe receives my frustration by drumming quietly and my legs start to bounce with the rhythm. I have been looking forward to this and I get right into the rhythm and very soon both arms and legs are moving with the rhythm.

It feels fantastic and as the forms develop the Tribe increases the pace and volume of the drumming. I am right into it and in my mind's eye I see myself as a little kid pounding his knees in frustration.

It feels great to completely let go and act like a child who is free to express what they are feeling inside.

I think I am done but the Tribe continues the drumming which gets me back into the trance. This time the experience is completely new.

As I get into the rhythm of the drumming everything goes dark and it feels like I am floating in space.

The drumming continues but I am less aware of it. Instead I am focused on a small red light in front of me.

I hardly notice the drumming now and it feels as though I am swimming through the dark. I am trying to reach out and touch the red light but it is always just out of reach.

I tell myself "this is what you have been looking for" but I don't know what that means. I snap out of it momentarily but the drumming takes me back into the trance.

My eyes are closed and the red light is everywhere, my back arches and I feel the tension in my body. At some point in the experience I feel a very sharp pain on my right side as though someone rips an internal organ in two.

I feel the pain and I snap out of the trance.

The Tribe members who have experienced Breathwork say that this new process lies somewhere between Breathwork and the traditional hot seat experience.

Part of me misses the verbal feedback but there is no doubt that the drumming gets everyone into their forms much faster and with greater intensity. All six members take a turn on the hot seat and we still manage to finish at our regular time (only 2-3 members usually take a turn on the hot seat).

It has been a couple of days since the meeting. There has been no a-ha moment and I can honestly say that I do not know what any of the experience meant.

What I do know is that my ability to handle stress has improved dramatically since I joined the Tribe. Things that previously would have had me climbing walls simply do not bother me anymore.

I can't explain that either but I like the change.

A very sincere thank you to you and the [Name] Tribe for sharing this (evolving?) process with me.

In the Incline Village Trading Tribe, we begin the session with drumming.  This tends to center the Tribe and put us all in a mild trance state.

 

Drumming during hot seats is another valuable tool for an expert Tribe.

 

Once a Tribe is up to speed on how TTP works (creating a healing field of acknowledgment, purposefully experiencing k-nots, finding positive intentions, getting to the zero-point, etc.) drumming by receivers, to create the healing field seems to add another dimension of acknowledgment.

 

At IVTT, we keep our drums handy during the sessions. Sometimes some of us drum and others encourage in other ways.  Sometimes we all drum and sometimes no one drums.  Like many things in TTP, The level of drumming tends to seek its own level.

 

TTP is empirical.  We learn by doing.  You might consider joining a drum circle in your city to experience drumming without a conscious intention to work through k-nots.

 

 

 Drumming

 

Like many growth processes

 

drumming seem to work well with TTP

 

 

Clip: https://www.healthyshopping.com/

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Sat 25, Feb 2006
 

Hello

Dear Ed:

I thank you introducing the TTP process to the public. I'm one of the few that is very fortunate to be associated with this process. I am eternally grateful. I am writing to you today to see if you are OK since I have not seen the FAQ for FEB. posted yet. Which is totally fine. I just wanted to see if you are OK. Wait for your reply.

Thank you for your concern.  I'm back.

Sat, 25 Feb 2006

 

Workshop in London


I commit to a workshop in Europe.

Regards,
Nick

Ed Says:

I can post a provisional date of, say July 21, 2006 in England (or Germany) and see if anyone signs up. Perhaps you can suggest a site for the Workshop.

OK - We are going with Cambridge, England

Sat, 25 Feb 2006

 

Thoughts

Hi Ed

In an effort to cut a long story short, here's my life and questions - hope u can offer thoughts

Born 1964
1985-89 (lost all sense of hearing - gradually)
1986 - 2006 (got married & had three children)
1987- Felt lost - cant hear - cant hear my children - cant hear advice, crying out to be hear, to be part, to access the subconscious that most people take for granted as part of conversation- search very deep to survive - who am i ? - how can i be me? - in the void i studied people/shares, anything to find me. Amongst other work, I read the Jade master and saw myself.
1993 - decided i need to hear again
1996- had a cochlear implant at [Name] Hospital
1996- Heard my 3 children for first time (overwhelming as you can imagine) - felt like a coiled spring - now what can i do?
1997- Go to night school
1999- Finish full time employment - Go to university full time
2004- Graduate with the first class honours (computers) at the age of 40 can you believe
2005 - Work for software and promoted manager of two new products

2006- happy to report a loving family of three athletic boys, a wife I love very much, a career that promises much - a portfolio that is up 40% for 6 month, but a guy with a depth of feeling that few people seem to have?- ambitions and ideas you wouldn't believe, and some questions for Ed - namely


1. Around 1992 i read your interview in market wizards and you desire for understanding, for self reliance inspired me - Does ths figure in your
motivation?

2. I am deaf, i coudn't benefit from a tribe or hotseat - I coudn't hear responses - in effect I am cut off from the audible subconscious - there must be loads of people like me - but i know its goes to a deeper level
because I've lived in it for the last 10 years - any thoughts on a tribe for the deaf like me and how we could work it?

3. Having read quite a bit of material i any thoughts on spirituality in association with your theories?

Thanks for your work and writings - they inspired me and continue to do so when it matters most

Regards,

In the system model, everything "figures" into everything else.

 

You might consider having your senders acknowledge you with noisy instruments, like drums or megaphones.  You can also get devices that amplify sound and project it to your torso so you can feel it "in your bones".

 

TTP seem to support most forms of spirituality.

 

 

Beethoven

 

composes music while deaf.

 

 

Drumming

 

gets through to the gut.

 

Clips:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/

entertainment/music/2229138.stm

 

http://www.rustlers.co.za/albums/adrumming/

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