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from Ed in Red)
Sun, 10 Sep 2006
If you have a recurring drama, a signature form and a burning desire to
get through them, send me an email outlining the situation, making a
guess as to the label on your hat and declaring your wish to surrender
to the process.
When I say I have a “signature form”, by this I mean that when I bring
an issue to the Hotseat the form is always more or less the same,
regardless of the Hotseat issue.
For example, I take the issue of Frustration to the hotseat & I am able
to quickly get into a particular form. On another occasion, the issue is
disliking the feeling of having people that are dependant on me and
wanting me to be there for them & do things for them, again I can get
into my form which is the same form as above.
Another issue is a relationship drama, similar form again.
Another issue is the feeling of overwhelm, similar form again.
Another issue is a particular annoying person Etc etc
I don’t really feel as though I reach any sort of resolution at the end
of my hotseat sessions.
O.k. So it’s a different drama but the same form always (or more
accurately, the character & shape of the form is the same, after all
there will always be some minor subtle differences between each form)
The form always begins with me sitting in the hotseat chair and screwing
up my upper lip & nose area, it then becomes my whole face & neck. My
whole face & neck is held in tension, all screwed up, face grimacing.
The tension then continues on to my shoulders, my chest & my upper back.
My fists, forearms & biceps are always clenched tightly & I begin to
hunch my back & buckle over, head towards my knees. I eventually find
myself on the floor – all the time I keep everything squeezed and tight,
really really tight. It’s as though I’m squeezing myself into a tight
Sometimes, I feel as though I’m being attacked and I need to curl up to
protect myself. Sometimes I feel the urge to hide, sometimes not.
Sometimes I yell out to be left alone and to stop being hassled.
Whilst I carry out my form, sometimes I feel as though I want to start
to punch (which I do in the form). I feel as though I want to carry out
some serious violence. (not to any one person in particular, just a
general feeling of wanting to inflict damage, to break something, to
really hurt someone/something.)
I think of school days and being bullied and wanting to hit back, I
sometimes think of authority figures & of people who tell me what to do
and again I feel the urge to punch out.
Sometimes I just think of something that I perceive to be unfair.
It’s as though I want to SMASH THE WORLD!
I’m aware of these so called ‘anti-social’ tendencies, yet at the same
time I’m a very social person. (or so I’ve been told)
I’m also aware that part of me has a very big need for acceptance and
approval. I feel as though this is somehow related to the above. I want
people to like me and I want them to think highly of me. I do things to
gain approval from others and I care about what others think of me
I don’t tell my friends that I ‘do’ TTP, I don’t even tell friends I
attend a TTP workshop. I fear that they might think I’m some kinda new
age freak and as a consequence they might think less of me. (which I
know wouldn’t happen, it’s just how I feel)
In the trading field, I’m aware that one reason I might trade, (other
than for money profit), is so that I can be successful and have others
think “Wow, what a really great, smart person”.
Yet, from what I know, most people already think I’m a very likable
person. People I meet for the first time & those I already know tend to
like me and get along quite well with me.
So I want people to approve of me, yet people already do. Huh??!! It
don’t make sense
These descriptions above are recurring themes that I’m aware of and have
outlined in previous emails to FAQ.
I’m not really 100% sure how these issues limit me and how they prevent
me from achieving my fullest potential, but I suspect(?) they contribute
to a kind of low grade ‘stuckness’ that my life seems to be in. Not
totally stuck mind you, just not getting things done at the speed at
which i would like.
Now as far as the ‘Rocks" process is concerned, I
would hazard a guess and say the following might apply;
“I want to smash the world”
“Fuck you, George Bush <or insert any other Authority figure instead>”
“I want people to think I’m good”
“I want people to like me”
“I’m stuck” – (possibly?/maybe?)
So yes, I am aware that I have these tendencies (and have been aware of
these even before I’d heard of TTP) but as your reply to someone’s FAQ
titled “Love” & dated Fri, 8 Sep 2006 states;
Lucy says “Recognizing your faults and actually changing your ways are
two different things, Charlie Brown!”
Yes! I can relate to this
So, having written all of the above I declare my willingness & my desire
to surrender to the process and to work through my issues.
All suggestions and any further information re: “Rocks Process” & its
implementation would be most appreciated.
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider carrying a rock
around with you in your pocket. Whenever you find yourself in one
of your recurring dramas involving frustration or wanting to smash
something, reach for the rock and squeeze your feelings into it.
After a few days, you might try putting a label on the rock that
characterizes your role in the drama.
In a Recurring Drama
you might find yourself
assuming the role of
soldier, or teaser, or victim
or having to be perfect
or unable to commit.
As long as you are carrying the rock
you attract the drama.
Sat, 9 Sep
Hats Off to Rocks Off!
A quick observation on Rocks while I have it in mind:
I notice that, like Freud, you seem to grow somewhat pessimistic about
the efficacy of your method (cf. Analysis Terminable and Interminable
(1938), and also, more interesting, Mourning and Melancholia (1917),
where I think Freud all but gives up on the "patient"). And, also like
Freud, you have divided the myth of psyche into three parts.
I wonder what these similarities imply. However, I also note that,
unlike Freud, you admirably draw attention to the fact that your model
is metaphorical (by using comical terms, Fred, Rocks and Hats) and also
unlike Freud, you humbly seek expansion of your insights through
Rocks is inspiring and I commit to contributing to the development of a
method that might give all of us the power to rewrite the sentences we
Thanks, as always, for all of your work.
Early TTP in which we use a
healing field of acknowledgment to encourage the appearance and
disappearance of forms is still an essential part of the work.
It seems particularly effective where the sender is already in alignment
with right livelihood and has some of his feelings in k-nots.
TTP is now also addressing a set of issues that relate to discovering
and aligning with right livelihood.
The Mad Hatter
from Alice and Wonderland
by Lewis Carroll
(Charles Lutwidge Dodgson)
"In that direction," the Cat said,
waving its right paw round, "lives a Hatter: and in that direction,"
waving the other paw, "lives a March Hare. Visit either you like:
they're both mad." "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice
remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here.
I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must
be, said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
Fri, 8 Sep
This may be mundane to someone who answers 100s of emails on emotions,
but I think it is slowly becoming more than words ...
I notice that you mention the difference between most traders is
I'm slowly coming to believe that our emotions exist, and our
descriptions of them (i.e. hard, difficult, bad, terrible, yucky ...)
are really imbedded support for judgments (or perhaps even avoidance) of
My inference: The distance between now and snapshots uncompleted is
largely willingness to experience these emotions.
This seems to tie in to your concept that time doesn't exist, just the
evolving moment of now.
I notice that when I truly enjoy something, I don't notice anything
else. However the opposite is true when I am avoiding, dreading or
frustrated with a task.
I wonder which emotions have positive intentions and wisdom for the
conscious mind (intended to become part of the emotional control panel)
and which emotions are largely meant to be just part of the experience.
For example, I notice that many things meaningful to me require
frustration, work, challenge ... etc. I think this may always be the
In TTP all emotions have positive
intentions, including dread and frustration and all are part of the
experience of living.
may provide a reality check
on what we think we are holding
as our intentions
Fri, 8 Sep
Ed Says: My experience with the Rocks Process is
that our attempts to analyze our own patterns and to overcome them by
will power are futile.
And just like you can't see the label on a real hat, you can't see the
label on the TTP hat you are wearing.
We then run step-by-step simulations to see if we can re-create the
drama, say winding up home alone with pornography, and having married
and otherwise sexually unavailable women as friends.
Right, certainly, trying to overcome the patterns solely by own will
power is futile. We concur here. Yet throwing in the towel I think
isn't the solution either.
Typically people sum up will power and resort to a Higher
Power, and then also look for the support of a community, religious or
not, start activities that might help in the recovery process, etc.
Intentional communities are just one example I think.
I believe that drama are like addictive patterns such as
alcoholism, drug use, workaholism, sex addiction, porn addiction, etc.
The first step is the will to overcome the pattern, even though a
lot of failures, trial and error, might follow.
Ed Says: In your case, the process might begin
with some guesses like: "Sex is dirty," "I like to be a victim," "I
prefer being alone," "I have to help people," or "Women reject me."
I think the issue of dramas in intimate relationships are very complex
because they often involve intertwining patterns, or "rocks", of both
partners. I feel I currently have better clarity about the process.
I believe love can also be a game of probabilities, where
result equals intention. I would just add that women, too, always get
what they want. This is a two-way, intertwining process.
Now, I guess, it's up to me to be clear about what I want and go for it.
That's it. That's what I do. I am currently into a rather gloomy
situation with a would-be girlfriend. I currently have to decide whether
to "move on" or "go on". I guess though the game of love has to unfold
naturally and spontaneously. So I do not feel like sharing it or
bringing it to analysis. As you say, it's futile.
Your concept of the Rocks process (below) sounds
interesting. Do you think there is a way I can benefit from your tribe
modeling and simulations? I mean, I don't have a Tribe and so I don't
see how I could participate in it.
Ed Says: We then run step-by-step simulations to
see if we can re-create the drama, say winding up home alone with
pornography, and having married and otherwise sexually unavailable women
Then, once we have a rock that seems to fit and that supports the
simulations, we proceed with a rather free-form intuitive process of
role playing and deep trance induction that assists the sender to
re-experience the situation during which he first adopts the hat.
Once he sees the circumstances of his acceptance of the rock and how the
rock controls his life, he may then (still in trance) elect to forgive
the rock or return the rock to its donor.
Thereafter, the sender no longer carries the rock. He may experience a
sense of relief and deep satisfaction and several days of profound
Non-productive drama tends to disappear from the sender's life. He
naturally tends to avoid his historical co-dependent partners and he
naturally selects new partners that are more in line with right
I concur with your observations that
admitting you likely cannot change on your own and sharing resources
with a community are essential steps toward change.
TTP, as an intellectual
approach is unlikely to lead to resolving actual emotional wounds.
Will power may wind up being the
propellant that drives your drama around its cycle.
People Tend to Repeat Patterns
even when they understand them
and vow to avoid them.
Lucy and Charlie Brown in Peanuts repeat a drama.
Charlie runs at the ball to kick it. When Charlie commits, Lucy
removes the ball and Charlie kicks air and falls on his back.
Lucy then repents and promises to mend her ways. Charlie trusts her
again and takes another run at the ball. Again, she removes it and
Charlie again winds up on his back.
At the end of several cycles, Lucy says “Recognizing your
faults and actually changing your ways are two different things, Charlie
Fri, 8 Sep
Learning or Imitating ?
I think the more we learn about trading the more reliant on what we
learn and stop thinking about it, we start imitating from what we have
learned which makes us lose the whole point of finding an edge and
understanding where it comes from.
I mean that learning is much easier that thinking about something. Also
when we learn a lot of words and definitions which is created by others
we become restricted by these definitions.
Riding a Bicycle
is one more thing
you learn to do
without a teacher.
Thu, 7 Sep
Ed Says: "Whatever your pattern,
including indecision, you likely have some deep commitment to it."
Ed, I read your essay about the Rocks Process. I notice the example you
use is an excellent model of typical relationship dramas. I am in awe of
your deep commitment about moving forward with your Tribe project and
willingness to help other people to overcome their limitations.
I wish to add some observations to your vision, drawn from my own
I feel that, of course, the inherent limitation of either the TTP
process or the Rock Process is the "intention" and willingness of the
sender to overcome his/her own limitations or commitment to achieve
his/her goals in life.
I notice that most people would rather learn by their own
trial and error rather than accepting "help" from someone else. This
typically requires the sender to acknowledge that there is "something
wrong" with him / her. Such acknowledgement implies "invalidation" of
their own being and they are likely to reject it or develop hatred
towards it. People typically respond better when they feel they are
loved or "validated" by someone else as they are.
I came to this conclusion out of my own experience. I share with you how
I view my own process:
During childhood I am deeply influenced by two single aunts who transfer
their resentment and frustration towards men to me. I am taught to be a
romantic, sensitive men who is willing to do anything to "conquer" the
love of a woman and "make" her "happy". I am also given an idealized
image of woman, i.e., that woman are sensitive, romantic, that they like
sensitive, caring and gentle men. That they like men who have
initiative, who are successful, hardworking, etc.
In short I am taught a lot of these modern feminist
bullshit. I am also taught than men are rude, dirty and also that sex
is dirty (more transfer and feminist bullshit). I am taught that men
are responsible for the happiness of a woman (more transfer and feminist
As I become a teenager I start to experience difficulty in relating to
girls. I experience a lot of rejection and so the hard lesson of
experience begins. After I experience with TTP I acknowledge these
co-dependent patterns and how I am vulnerable to fall prey to
abusive, manipulative and controlling women who like to "punish" me,
humiliate or demand perfection from me (just like my aunts).
As I become aware of the unhealthy patterns I try to overcome them. I
manage to decrease the level of the recurring dramatic patterns by
responding faster to the unhealthy situation, and validating my anger.
Yet I still have some recurrences of feeling attracted to women who
are apparently sensitive, romantic "good girls". I do a lot of
effort to "conquer" them and get practically no emotional response, or a
simple rejection. I acknowledge they typically prefer a "confident,
etc." jerk instead. I acknowledge they also are getting what they want,
in spite of all the feminist bullshit propaganda.
I make friends with a special woman who apparently acknowledges my
vulnerability and drama and starts supporting, validating and giving me
affection and love. She acknowledges I find her attractive and also
validates my feeling towards her. I start to feel better self-esteem as
a man and emotionally more self-confident.
We eventually become great friends. I feel supported,
nurtured, protected and loved by her. I start to have an insight that
there might be other girls like her out there and I start to know how to
tell the difference between a jerk-loving woman and a love-deserving
As of this date I have managed also to make friends with another
"love-deserving", supportive girl. She has a boyfriend though. I
keep looking for a single, "love-deserving", supportive girlfriend.
Yet, I still have experienced with a rather strange pattern. I still
feel sometimes attracted to girls I feel I can "help", "protect" or
"rescue" them from getting involved with jerks.
But my efforts are to no avail. I get no emotional
response, no intimacy and I have to drift away "defeated". I drift away
with a sense of gloom, for my efforts are not acknowledged and I feel
myself rejected. I cannot cope with this deep frustration and pain
that ensues and typically resort to hardcore porn to relief emotional
I acknowledge that I might have difficulties validating
my own lust or sexual drive. Then I also resort to the friendship of
this special woman. She makes me feel better. I love her. Through her
love I sense the beginning of healthier patterns in my relationships, as
a result of my better self-esteem. I have also always resorted a lot to
spirituality. I typically joke with her that she's an angel sent by God
to heal the wounds of my heart.
Now I keep looking for a supportive, single girlfriend, who's willing to
commit and experience intimacy with me.
"The principles of lust
are easy to understand
do what you feel
feel until the end
the principles of lust
are burned in your mind
do what you want
do it until you find
(Find Love, Enigma)
The lyrics of this song also seem to be burned in my mind.
If you feel you can use this report to make a simulation of the Rocks Process in your tribe, feel free to do it, provided you keep my name
Yet I feel I can attain full recovery by nurturing healthy relationships
with healthy women. I feel the process of flirtation and looking for
intimacy is much like placing a trade.
We place it and try. Once we acknowledge it's a loser we
quickly get out. I believe that chances are a healthy relationship
ensues when both partners have the intention to nurture a healthy
intimate relationship, in the sense that one partner is the realization
of the intention of the other. Of course we know this is true also for
Thank you for sharing your process.
My experience with TTP
is that our attempts to analyze our own patterns and to overcome them by
will power are futile.
Standard therapeutic approaches rely
on analysis, understanding and then conscious effort to overcome
patterns and train new habits.
TTP differs from these
In TTP, we now use gut
feel, analytics and a simulation model to help identify a hat we think
In your case, the process might
begin with some guesses like: "Sex is dirty," "I like to be a
victim," "I prefer being alone," "I have to help people,"
or "Women reject me."
We then run step-by-step simulations
to see if we can re-create the drama, say winding up home alone with
pornography, and having married and otherwise sexually unavailable women
Then, once we have pattern seems
to fit and that supports the simulations, we proceed with a rather
free-form intuitive process of role playing and deep trance induction
that assists the sender to re-experience the situation during which he
first adopts the pattern.
Once he sees the circumstances of
his acceptance of the pattern and how the pattern controls his life, he may then
(still in trance) elect to reject the pattern.
Thereafter, the sender no longer
carries the pattern. He may experience a sense of relief and deep satisfaction
and several days of profound dis-orientation.
Non-productive drama tends to
disappear from the sender's life. He naturally tends to avoid his
historical co-dependent partners and he naturally selects new partners
that are more in line with right livelihood.
No Matter How Much You Analyze
or how much will power you use
you wind up acting out
Fri, 8 Sep
Participate in Rocks Process
I am interested in exploring the new extensions to TTP and would like
information on how to participate.
Fri, 8 Sep
I am fascinated by your essay "Rocks". Can you give me more information
about how to participate?
Fri, 8 Sep
I am more than interested in moving this technology
forward, and I believe a blending of a few ideas is
Re golf, I was losing my edge in a major way and
after an interesting conversation with another golfer
I made a change in my mindset ...from prey to
predator ... from being defensive to attacking. It has
made a real difference ... Now I need to bring this to my trading.
Re Ed's Rocks idea I am all for some experimenting, I
just believe that the KISS system should be adhered
Thank you for your observations.
The model is moving toward simplicity.
Fri, 8 Sep
Rocks - More Information Please
I finish reading your ‘Rocks’ presentation and I find it most
fascinating. It strikes a chord with me in that in my TTP efforts I find
myself constantly repeating the same form over & over, my ‘signature
form’ if you will, with no real resolution. I can relate to the
stagnation as outlined in your essay.
If I understand correctly, according to the Rocks model, Fred pumps a
feeling for the duck to carry. Meanwhile, the rock (being the Governor
a.k.a. the ‘wise guy’) overrides that feeling and directs the duck to carry
another different feeling to the ‘outside world’ such that the message
on the rock that I carry is always maintained.
Hence in this setup minimal progress is achieved as far as gaining
insights & wisdom is concerned.
After all how could there be progress if the feeling being pumped by
Fred is overridden by another feeling as directed by the Rock.
So, one needs to determine the Rock that one carries and ultimately, once
recognized, the afore-mentioned may be removed.
Intellectually, I understand how the model works for the specific
examples outline in your essay.
Experientially, I have no understanding at all (but am willing to try).
Therefore, I would like to take up your offer as outlined at the end of
your essay for more information re: the new techniques and
You may contact me via return email with any details and information.
This work seems to be progressing
somewhat by discussions and mostly by participating in the process.
helps lubricate most processes.
Thu, 7 Sep
(copy of Inter-Tribe Email)
I only read the Rocks paper just now. It looks
interesting and it hit a few hot spots for me. Recently, I have been
work on some ideas of my own. I have not spoken to Ed in a month but he
been on my mind.
It appears that Ed and I and perhaps others have come to a similar
crossroad with regards to where to go from here. It is clear that we
have met with great success and have found a method in TTP that is
robust and simply works.
It is continually tested and experimented with
in various Tribes around the world and in the
end we come back to the basic application itself unadorned with bells
Many of us, yourself included have become very, very good
with this tool over the past few years. However, there are times where
TTP belongs nearby in the tool belt and another tool or another hand or
perhaps another hat needs to move in as TTP is not the right tool for
I am giving this considerable exploration and have been looking
forward to getting back next Tuesday after our brief summer break to
discuss and further develop these ideas with the Tribe.
Much of my thinking is centered on identity and how it seems to show up
in one way or another in our snapshots. One person with a snapshot for
several categories such as trading, family, fitness and fun will
inevitably have their identity in the picture and their body.
those identities are the same and sometimes they are different (I
suspect that even when they seem the same, they may be more different
than you think). Determining those identities and shuffling them around
to different snapshots would be an interesting experiment. For example,
what happens when you take the meat eating, ass kicking athlete in your
fitness snapshot and move him into your professional, organized and
disciplined trading snapshot? I think the results could be interesting.
Now, imagine that if after working through the feelings, ideas,
conflicts, confusion and excitement of bringing your fitness identity or
an evolution of it into your trading identity you decide to implement it
in real life. What happens?
It feels funny. Have you ever changed
something in your golf swing and noticed how odd it feels at first? The
three fundamentals of golf are grip, posture and alignment. Most people
might ask: "but what about the swing?" Why swing if you don't have a
grip and you are pointing in the wrong direction? When a teacher changes
your alignment and asks you to swing, it is not uncommon to fold the sod
over the ball as it does not feel natural at all.
Often, you go
backwards and want to switch back to the old swing as your results
simply suck! However, with practice and support, the ball begins to fly
in alignment with the body and target. Other times, with the support of
others a subtle change in a fundamental can create phenomenal results.
Just last weekend, Tiger Woods called his coach Hank Haney and over the
phone they decided on a modest change in posture which had instant
results the next day. As you know, Tiger was also willing to make large
changes in his fundamentals years ago that seem to be bearing fruit now.
It feels like there is a bunch of work in the back of my head that is
starting to find its way out in words. Fortunately, I happen to know
some guys that can help accelerate that process!
I love you guys and
look forward to getting our boots on and going back to work on Tuesday.
I also plan on going down to Incline Village in October. About 2 weeks ago, I started having a positive,
energetic recurring dream/image of Piranhas and laughed when I saw Ed's
Piranha hat. I want to try that one on!
Thank you for joining in the
Thu, 07 Sep
I take exception to your statement below:
Ed Says: "In the case where the relationship is
deeply in conflict, the career is tenuous and the fundamental attitude
is dissatisfaction, TTP seems to provide little growth or even relief."
My relationship with my wife nine months ago was in very deep conflict,
and my new career attempt four months ago extremely tenuous. However,
possibly because my fundamental attitude has always been positive, TTP
really turned my marriage around with only one hot seat. And due to a
tribe member's bold suggestion I changed my Right Livelihood, placing my
former career attempt under Fun.
Though I may be an exception rather than the rule.
Another tribe member, seemingly stuck for about a year or more, has now
blossomed and made progress through perseverance.
Hmmm ... You take exception
and you may be an exception.
The improvements many people
experience through TTP is largely about getting their feelings in
alignment with right livelihood.
You and your wife may already
both have hats that support each other along a path of growth and
Working with your Feelings
tends to realize the message
you have on your hat.
Wed, 6 Sep
the purpose of my
previous e-mail is:
1. To follow up on my commitment I make, which is to report if [Name]
sticks to the commitment.
2. To hold [Name] accountable for the commitments at the
Right now I am feeling angry and attacked (burning in my chest, tingling
on the side of my face). I feel I supported [Name] during Breathwork and
now there is no follow-through, which really pisses me off the more I
think about it. Thank you for challenging me.
Some Rocks seem to lock into natural
co-dependence. If one or the other person manages to return the
rock, the drama ends.
People who Tease
are natural method actors
in each others' dramas.
Wed, 6 Sep
This seems like this is an important shift. The write-up is good and
descriptive - creates the desire to experience it.
Still it seems
ethereal to me - I suppose once you do it, you understand on a very
different level ... finding the key rock (s) is the "key" and does not
seem easy or obvious.
Yes, the shift in perspective is
both subtle and powerful and seems to become clearer after you go
through the process.
Wed, 6 Sep
I locate a k-not via the form by working it to consciousness using the
Trading Tribe process and unconditional support and acceptance at the
I am sender. My tribe identifies the form. I am encouraged to go with
it. I do. I am willing.
I am grammar school age. I work math problems at home in my room. My
right hand is cramping. I can not write solutions to basic arithmetic
for a homework assignment. I can not hold the pencil !
He is a perfectionist and he wants that I be perfect. To be a
perfectionist – this he feels is the highest calling.
Shame on all who
can not see the light! It has to be perfect. Everything has to be just
right. Sit at the desk. Use proper lighting. Quiet!
The result must be
There is a perfect WAY for everything to be done. He ALONE
determines how the perfect result is to be achieved. The perfect way to
do things: his way.
I’m now typing to you with only one hand as my right hand is starting to
cramp. My communication must be perfect. I want that you understand! But
will you be angry with me if it’s not done perfectly?
I experience this feeling NOW. It’s ok if you understand. It’s ok if you
don’t. It’s ok if you are angry. It’s ok if you are not angry. It’s ok
to be perfect. It’s ok to not be perfect. I do it this way. It’s not the
only way. It’s not the perfect way. It’s the way I do it.
Now when I want to do something I just begin. I just begin.
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider returning the
"I'm Perfect" rock to its creator.
When you have to be perfect
you can't risk starting anything.
Date: Tue, 5
This is a very
thought provoking message and method. I recognize some concerns I have
such as anger being a "cover" for hurt / sadness. I recognize this in
folks often. I try to feel the underlying emotion and leave the
defensive response of anger behind.
I applaud all
your efforts to help yourself and others towards right livelihood. I
believe that is what we are all here for.
wear the "I am not worthy" hat. I find this very annoying since I know
in CM that I am as worthy as the guy sitting next to me for Pete's sake!
Thank you for sharing your process.
Tue, 5 Sep
Are we continuing the snapshot process? If so, how does that all fit
IVTT is currently exploring the
Process. At this point, I am not clear how it fits together with
Do You Know
Anything About ...
Nice to meet you here. Heard about you on the internet ... I believe in
not reinventing the wheel and just going to the best for the best ... So
please if you don't mind ... If I may ask ... you ... Do you know
anything about offshore structures? Would you be able to please
recommend a resource you trust on this topic. And if possible any other
recommendations or advice on this subject. I'm looking into this
direction in the near future.
Yes, I know something about
FAQ does not recommend
commercial products. See ground rules.
Congratulations on your
ability to do things in the (near) future.
Tue, 5 Sep
Today I finished the support/resistance-system. First I had the same
rounding errors like you, too! Now I fixed the problem and match your
results to the penny for both, the 140/20 and the 120/45 run. I ran this
particular system for the S&P data too and contrary. It seems that you
have to test various systems for each data separately to find the best
system for it and then to combine the different data with the different
optimal systems like you did in your diversification study.
Regrettably I don’t have any data to continue with the trend tutorial
exercise. I also see, that the last update was half a year ago and hope,
that it isn’t to late now!
Thanks for sharing this project in public !
I am open for an apprentice to help move the work forward.
Sun, 3 Sep
I see that you speak at the ‘International Investors & Traders Summit’
in Singapore , and if I attend, one of the ‘traders’ will ‘uncover the
best-kept secrets about stocks, commodities and options’. Seems like the
‘secrets’ will only cost a couple of grand (US), secrets are usually
worth more, I consider going.
I wonder where you take TTP …
I do not know what secrets
the other speakers intend to reveal as these are, well, secret.
I can tell you a couple
"secrets" about purveyors of secrets:
1. There are no secrets.
2. They don't want you to
Currently I am taking TTP
into the Rocks Process. See the link, above.
People Who Tell You
they have secrets
tend to put their secrets
on public media.
People who really have secrets
typically don't talk about them.
Fri, 1 Sep
is the Key
I know this fellow; he trades a system that’s not very good at making
money. It’s pretty good at losing money, nice and slow, as to keep him
trading, “profits are just around the corner” attitude. He’s an active
TTP practitioner, but his system is the source of his problem.
I think that the system is the real key – TTP without a great system is
useless for traders – it’s great for other parts of life – like
relationships, and dealing with oneself but as for trading – I think
it’s unsatisfactory. From what I see, TTP does not help one find/create
a good/great trading system. If you have a good system, TTP helps make
I see many practitioners of TTP who really want to be successful
traders, practice TTP, who spend time back testing and risk a lot of
money. Many of these salesman; I mean, traders, lose money. When they
try to find out how to improve their system, they’re met with distain.
(We don’t talk about that here).
I for one would love to help them, but I do not have the skills in
computer programming. Nor do I have enough of the dense grey matter to
trade a mechanical technical through a + 50% drawdown.
I think of
sending them to the associates program, but I don’t know what help they
would get, I remember reading that you need to get there with a ‘good’
system already. I think that getting the good system is 90% of the game
With the highest respect,
You may lack the skills. You
may lack grey matter (between your ears and between your legs).
You do not seem to lack excuses.
When you carry around "Excuse Me"
Tinkering with Fred
is a pointless "excusize."
Fri, 01 Sep
Trading is like Dieting
Hey Ed :)
I don't know if you remember me ...I met with you for a private
consultation maybe seven years ago, during the dot-com days. At the time
I had sold my sign store and adult internet business, and was trying to
learn as much as I could on trading. I'm glad I paid to see you as you
molded much of my trading ideology in ways I had never thought of up
until that time. I think our meeting went basically like this ...
Me: "ok Mr Seykota, now tell me the secret system!"
Ed: "I'm sorry Andy, there is no secret system. There are many good
systems, none are magic."
Me: (gasping) , "Come on Ed! I know you have a secret system hidden in
back closet ... please tell me it! I know it is magic!"
hehehehe. At the time, I was like many traders, hell-bent on the idea
that trading for a living was 100% about finding the magic system. You
opened my eyes to the psychology behind trading. I am happy to tell you
that I have been making my living trading ever since we spoke. Yes, the
beginning was difficult and I took some punches, but I stayed out of
trouble and things have gone as planned since. Currently I trade stocks
but will venture into futures in the future when some financial targets
I think the best analogy I can think of, when people ask me the secrets
of trading and about trading systems is to refer to dieting.
percent of Americans are overweight? I would put this number at maybe
2/3rds. Of those people, how many of them know a good diet? I would
hasten to say...probably all of them. The diet is the system ... and there
are many good diets ...we all know them. At the heart of the issue is
really "self discipline". Trading is less about the system, and more
about self discipline. This rules applies to much of life, not just
My results in the last 5 years
I believe this is roughly a 19% average ... not great but not bad and I
have learnt more since the beginning. I think this would tie me with
William J O'Neil and put me a little behind the Fools in the same time
frame. This year I am down a little at -8% but continue to follow my
ideas, come hell or high water.
just wanted to say hello and let you know the thoughts above and say
thanks for teaching me.
Thank you for checking in.
Fri, 1 Sep
Hello Breathwork Support Team!
As of September 1, 2006 AUM are $1.05MM. The fund does not have any
capital infusions in August, and performance is down about 1% for the
month. I continue to stick to the system.
I have some feelings of not liking the past 4 months performance and I
feel impatient for the system to start making profits. I also
have feelings of disliking marketing while recent performance is
negative. I intend to take my feelings to the hotseat and integrate them
at my next tribe meeting.
I commit to continue to report my assets under management to you, my
Breathwork support team, on the first of each month until I reach $5
million under management.
Thanks for your support!
Thank you for sharing your
Fri, 01 Sep
with Remote Attendance
I attended your IV meeting non-locally Thursday 8/31 at 2PM and 7PM.
snapshot session was excellent, I was able to integrate some AHAs that I
got from previous meetings!
The 7PM TTP
session was poor, maybe
because it was too late for me. It felt lonely and scary.
I will continue this remote attendance with my tribe and attending both
tribes non-locally and in non-linear time (the ultimate DIM experience)
TTP is a wonderful tool which I've found very helpful and very magical.
But at some point I feel that a tool can become a crutch especially if
it depends on a group methodology that might not be available to me. If
your own intention for TTP
"..is for people to experience it, and for it to
disappear and become just another passing AHA."
to me that would mean learning how to do TTP in a DIM fashion.
Your comments, even your spankings, are always welcome,
Curiously, the 8/31 Meeting of IVTT
does not conduct the Snapshot Process that you claim to attend remotely.
We are now currently conducting the Rocks
You might consider seeking
professional help about your spankings.
Beatrix the Dominatrix
When you really want it right
hire a professional.