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(Quotes from Ed in Red)
Wed, 31 Jan
Plans for Divorce Transform
into New Commitment to Marriage
In late 2006, my marriage is near an end. After nine years of strife,
there is little emotional or physical intimacy left in the relationship.
A long succession of marriage counselors and psychologists are unable to
reverse or slow the deterioration.
My wife is committed to working on
the marriage, but I am repelled by the notion of any type of intimacy.
Emotionally, I do not share my feelings, and do not receive hers. I
detest the very idea of emotional expression, believing that feelings
are by their nature random, misleading, and harmful. I strive for
objectivity and dispassion. I study and admire Marcus Aurelius and the
Greek stoics. I am at war with my feelings, and cannot seem to overcome
Our physical intimacy is in similar decline. After much physical passion
early in the relationship, there is little physical intimacy left.
Encounters are planned in advance, and spaced widely apart. At best, I
view physical intimacy as a marital obligation. More commonly, I regard
physical intimacy with a visceral aversion. At times even simple
touching produces strong feelings of anxiety.
At the same time, I grow disconnected from two other important, personal
interests. I withdraw from a successful business I start and operate. I
arrive at work late. I delay in making decisions. I am slow to return
calls and emails. I only act when circumstances are pressing. My
employees grow increasingly frustrated.
Similarly, I reach a relatively successful level of trading, but cannot
reach a higher level of performance. I spend vast amounts of time
researching individual trading ideas, only to lose interest in each idea
and move on to another.
A week before the TTP Workshop, I am despondent. I am unable to break
the cycle of conflict in my marriage, and am unable to emotionally
engage my wife.
My three year daughter bears witness to loud, angry
fights. I am hurting her. I am also hurting my business and the people
who work there. Time I could be spending with my family and business is
wasted researching trading ideas that never come to fruition.
At bottom, I believe I possess significant character flaws that are
destroying my life. I believe I am lazy. I believe I lack the ability to
focus. I believe that I lack the capacity to love. Despite several
attempts I cannot overcome those perceived shortcomings through the
exercise of personal willpower. I feel hopeless. I feel as though I am
thrashing through life uncontrollably, hurting many of those around me.
I am disappointed by the person I have become, and question whether my
existence in the world is of any positive significance.
During the workshop, I participate in TTP, the Hardball process, and the
Rocks Process. In those exercises I am reconnected with my feelings. I
am reunited with emotions I have been denying and detesting for years.
Through that process I learn that feelings are functional, instructive,
and integral to one’s existence.
I am surprised to learn that feelings
can be enjoyable to experience, even those traditionally seen as
negative, such as anxiety or sadness. I realize that my problems are not
the result of a deficient work ethic, character, or personality.
that coping mechanisms (“Rocks”) I adopted early in life are
contributing to many of my problems. I realize that I can ameliorate
many of my problems not through the exercise of greater personal
discipline, but by observing and experiencing my emotions, appreciating
them for what they are, and by using the Rocks process to create new
options for dealing with emotionally charged events.
During the workshop I feel a serenity I have never experienced. I feel
liberated from my past, and no longer bound by my desires for the
future. I am living in the now. My mind is remarkably quiet, clear of
the incessant, negative self-chatter that I have known for most of my
life. I feel good about myself for the first time in a while. I feel a
tremendous sense of love for Ed, my tribe, my family, and world around
After the workshop I return home. I am amazed. I immediately notice that
my relationship with my wife has changed. I no longer feel anxious when
talking about her feelings, or discussing the marriage. I no longer feel
repulsed by the notion of emotional or physical intimacy.
We hug and
touch frequently. We enjoy physical intimacy that is spontaneous and
natural. We have fun.
On occasion my wife is confused by my newfound awareness. At times, when
I openly express a “negative” feeling she becomes defensive and hostile.
With my new Rock, I observe and experience my emotions, think about my
options, and decide not to join in the hostility. She eventually calms
down, we talk, and grow closer. Though the mood is at times awkward,
there is a new sense of peace and trust in the house.
I go into the office with a new energy level. Instead of creating
dreaded “To Do” lists, which I never complete, I experience my feelings
and summarize my “Present Intentions.” My productivity soars. I complete
several tasks I have been putting off for weeks. I meditate on the train
ride to the office. I purposefully feel my feelings intermittently
during the day. I feel bursts of joy and energy. When I feel anxious or
agitated, I try to enjoy those feelings as well. My employees say that I
seem relaxed. The mood in the office brightens.
As for my trading, when I return from the workshop I experience my
feelings about trading. I feel that I want a long term system that
trades infrequently. I feel no need to manage, or earn, large sums of
money. I feel that my trading should resonate with my newfound peace,
and my internal systems. I begin to code my trading system. Though I
have not coded in 20 years, I find it enjoyable and fun. I laugh as I
struggle for two hours over a minor routine. I feel like a child
learning new things. I complete my first, rudimentary system two days
Thank you, Ed. Thank you, Tribe. In short, because of workshop, and your
loving support, I feel as though I have started my life anew.
marriage is improving, I feel energized about my business, and I am
thoroughly enjoying the process of coding my system. I miss you all, and
have you in my thoughts.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Wed, 31 Jan
Nobel Intent: How
Hello, Ed -
I hope your search for a home here in Austin is yielding the desired
I read this article this afternoon; you may find it interesting.
How hallucinogens work
January 31, 2007 @ 11:00AM - posted by Matt Ford
How Hallucinogens Work
New work by a team of researchers has shed light
on why hallucinogenic compounds cause altered
states in creatures. It has long been known that
hallucinogenic compounds have a high affinity for
a certain receptor in the central nervous system
(5-HT2A, or 2AR), and that when these receptors
are blocked, the hallucinogenic side effects are
mitigated. What has remained a mystery is why
other non-hallucinogenic compounds with a similar
affinity for these 2ARs do not produce similar
To gain insight into this apparent paradox, the
researchers sent a group of mice off on an acid
(LSD) trip and measured the hallucinogenic
response. Now, as one may wonder, how do you
measure whether a mouse is tripping or not? You
can't ask them if they see the cheese in the trap
get up and walk away on its own, but the
researchers were able to measure a twitch that the
mice exhibited only when hallucinating.
focusing their work on the cortex—which has
previously been shown to be the center of
hallucination activity—the researchers found that LSD produced a distinct internal cellular
signaling pathway that was rather different from
other non-hallucinogenic compounds that bound to
the same 2AR receptors. It is this distinct
pathway that leads to the hallucinogenic response,
while some chemicals bind to 2AR receptors the
non-hallucinogens did not initiate the same
pathway, and therefore lead to no hallucinations.
As another facet of this work the team ran similar
tests on mice whose 2AR receptors were blocked.
Here they found that when given LSD, the mice
exhibited no signs of hallucinations, but when the
2AR receptors in the cortex alone were unblocked,
LSD again became a hallucinogen in their system.
While informative on its own, the researchers hope
that by understanding the underlying signaling
mechanism of hallucinogens, this work can help
explain and offer better or new pharmacological
treatments for other neuropsychiatric disorders.
Current methods are a shot in the dark and can
often have severe side effects in addition to
curing an ailment. Often current treatments'
mechanisms are unknown, so it is believed that
with a more thorough understanding of the
mechanism—elucidated from this study—that new
therapeutic treatments can be made more effective.
Thank you for the information.
(1907 - )
and Inventor of LSD
Lysergic acid diethylamide.
The diethylamide group is red
the indole ring is blue.
In the late 1930s, Albert Hoffman is working in the pharmacological
department of Sandoz, in Basel, Switzerland. He is studying derivatives
of lysergic acid, including systematically reacting the acid group with
various reagents, to produce the corresponding amides, anhydrides,
esters, etc. One of these derivatives is the diethylamide, made by
addition of the -N(C2H5)2 group, and it was named LSD-25. The new
substance doesn't appear to have any particularly useful medical
properties, although the research report notes, in passing, that "the
experimental animals became restless during the narcosis". For the next
five years, nothing more occurs with the substance LSD-25.
But for some reason, Hoffman can not forget the relatively uninteresting
LSD-25. In his book he says:
"A peculiar presentiment - the feeling that this substance could
possess properties other than those established in the first
investigations - induced me, five years after the first synthesis, to
produce LSD-25 once again so that a sample could be given to the
pharmacological department for further tests."
Clips and information:
Wed, 31 Jan
and Being Heavy
What’s the difference between plunging and being heavy in the markets?
Your position might be big or small.
In either case, it's not how big it
it's how big you feel it is.
Tue, 30 Jan
Friday = Change Model Day
Hi again Ed!
Thanks for helping me to start my Trend Following Model. You have helped
me staying on the path without even responding. The return is actually
up around 10% since the start only one month ago. That is better than
expected. Generally I'm not so used to currency bets but I have a few,
in accordance with what my models signals, and they are performing good.
Since I don't want to change my model too often, I have dedicated the
first Friday every month to be used as a "change model day". Meanwhile I
just come up with ideas of improvements. This process keeps me from
impulsively change my model. Now it's a more structured way of system
developments. I have actually made one change, and that is to change the
SL-level from 75 days lowest price to 75 days average price. The system
is faster and the stop-loss levels change more continuously which gives
me the opportunity to increase exposure faster.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Tue, 30 Jan
I Really Want to Read Your Books!
I read among the TTP-FAQ pages that one of the contributors had read
your books "Traders Window" and "Metaformation of winning". Where can I
get them? Can I buy them from you through PayPal?
Thank you for your interest.
I am currently busy writing and
Tue, 30 Jan
My Experience with TTP
I wish to share my experience with TTP with you and the readers.
I discover www.seykota.com FAQ in 2003. I continue reading FAQ while
attempting to experience my feelings solo (DIM), to no avail. I actually
try TTP with a sibling. I recall feeling a constriction in my throat so
intense, I am blown away. Unfortunately, I do not continue the process,
stopping short of the zero point or joy point. I open up a can of worms
as this feeling seems to stick with me, and it is not pleasant.
I finally muster the courage to join a tribe in the summer of 2006.
Sending and receiving feelings with a group of strangers seems bizarre
to me, but my gut insists I go for it, not to mention my throat. I
consider this decision the best one of my life.
My first meeting is incredible. I feel like I enter a “twilight” zone,
the zone of NOW.
I meet the members one by one and feel at ease. We
begin drumming and proceed to check in. Before I know it, one by one,
members take the hot seat while the rest receive with relentless
encouragement. I enjoy receiving a lot. I am asked if I wish to take the
seat and I say yes. I have a preconceived idea of what my forms may be,
but I am not even close. I find myself on the floor, my fists clenching,
my eyeballs bursting, screaming in rage. I know this is a feeling I last
experience as a child and it feels great! I am launched into the flow.
I now look forward to hot seats and treat them as opportunities for
growth. I think we are a powerful group with a leader who sets a great
example. I continue to experience many positive changes in my life.
Thank you Tribe and Thank you Ed.
Thank you for sharing your process.
You're Not Alone
when you're in the zone.
Mon, 29 Jan
Coming Out of a Draw Down
I hope you are well. I am writing to report my periodic progress to FAQ,
consistent with the intention of the Tribe directory.
I was experiencing strong positive momentum in my life back in 10/06 and
11/06. I could honestly say I was happy. 'Genuinely happy for a while, I
guess genuine peace is a better word. I was so happy yet in the back of
my mind I was playing with myself saying "Can't be true, I know some
problems are coming, watch."
Though I did not want problem I was testing
intention = result. I experiment lot with this. Example was when I
returned the rental car for thanks giving day I could not reach my
friend who were supposed to pick me up at the rental car station. So I
said let's try to see if this work. My intention is to go home by car. I
returned the rental car and started walking toward my home which is
miles away. 1 minutes later a car pulls right over my side. The driver
goes "What's up [Name]!" Wow that's was a friend which I met through
other friend about 4 years ago.
I told him my situation and he told me
he can give ride to the train station. I said OK. When we got to the
train station the original friend who was supposed to pick me up was
looking for me at the train station. I was very excited. He bought me
breakfast and gave me a ride to my home. This is just one example
however there are many incidents which I experimented and outcome turned
exactly as my intention.
Again things are going very smoothly, I am calm and happy. Yet I
couldn't stop thinking "This can't be true, you are going to have
problem let's see if this intention works again ha ha ha" in the back
of my mind.
I couldn't stop thinking about it. Nothing happen and I was
happy. Just when I forgot about this stupid experiment Boom!! I received
a worst possible letter(I don't want to get in details.) a day before
Best described my feeling at that moment was when Agent
Sterling from movie Hannibal is opening a letter from Hannibal Lecter.
Long story short I was crashed. Couldn't believe it. I couldn't sleep
for few days. Here I am practicing the NOW getting dragged in to the
I'm doing what ever I could do to control my mental state.
Reading the NOW book. Reading Krishnamurti day and night. Reading FAQ. I
just couldn't get away from the mud. Sending Christmas email to TTP
members wishing Merry Christmas at the same time hoping I could
facilitate emergency TTP. After all it's Christmas and New Years, the
whole world is conditioned to celebrate.
I became extremely desperate.
Again my drinking stopped. Even with problem I did not crave alcohol.
Instead though I started eating everything in site. I told the problem
to my boss, then I was even more surprised of his reaction. His true
color came out. It is not a nice color. However I was glad to see his
true color early enough to avoid serious problems with him. All the
sudden it became clear he was dragging me to his drama. I try to work
things out but it is never the same. I'm wondering weather this drama
happen to stop me from getting involved with him deeper.
I noticed I was
recommending lots of turn around situation to my clients. Few of them
started crushing down. I get an AHA. This is exactly like what's going
on in my life. I met with friend and told him that I pick turnaround
situation because I portrait my self as Rocky Balboa. I've being in far
more worst situation than I am in right now, however I realize it is
over and no more problems because it simply not worth it.
I've been doing well with my clients. Getting lots of orders and they
are listening to what I'm saying. Boss is getting extremely jealous
about everything that I do. Drama after Drama. Still I was desperate to
have TTP so I send out reminders of our meeting one week before hand.
The result was no show after no show. I try to reschedule few days later
and another no show. Now I am really at the bottom. I felt miserable. I
downloaded drumming songs from lime wire and experimented with DIM
process. I got in to forms a bit but it was nothing close.
One day I
search the TTP site and for some reason reading this line. Impatience
depends on the belief in the existence of time. Next day I feel great
about all my positions. Tremendous difference. I feel I am aligning my
self with the flow for the first time.
I am watching Warren Buffet
Interview on Google Video. Charlie Rose is interviewing Buffet's friend
and he is telling Charlie how he made a mistake of life time not
invested with Buffet in the 70's. $10,000 "I did not have the money,
well I could have borrowed it" It could have been 600 million by now. I
get a AHA about me missing the workshop. I hope you are scheduling
Last night we had a great TTP session first one this year!. I am feeling
great right now. I feel truly blessed to experience TTP. I thank you for
your sharing. Our new member got in to excellent forms. Willingness was
there. Snapshots process was excellent too. I am truly genuinely happy
right now. My mother came to visit me early January as well. It was
great experience. I truly enjoyed my mother's company first time in
years. I wish I can show you my snapshot. Best to you and fellow
Thank you for sharing your process.
If you lived on the bus
you'd be home by now.
Date: Mon, 29
Wants it Wholesale
Is it possible to order the trading tribe book wholesale?
The wholesale price is the same as
the retail price.
To order, see the link to The
Trading Tribe Book, above.
Wants to Raise Funds
Dear Mr. Seykota:
After the Trading System Project section of your web page is done, the
TTP organization might design and trade a system similar to your model
one (high risk and high return) and attract capital in this manner:
Every January of each year, TTP might sale a predetermined number of
A Feather is a $10,000 investment that is similar to a zero coupon bond
and has a 10 years maturity but with no fixed interest rate other than
market action. Therefore, the market will decide the average interest
rate in those 10 years period.
TTP might specify who they will like to sell the feathers to on January
of each year by setting a number of parameters. For example, to people
sociably productive, or willing to become better individuals, etc.
TTP might be able to use the management fees earned to finance its
activity in poor countries (Latin American) that in my opinion are those
who need to learn TTP the most and on average do not have enough money
to pay a workshop or a seminar.
I am not sure you will like this idea but at least I tried.
Thank you for sharing your idea.
FAQ is an educational site intending
to serve the Trading Tribe community.
At this point, I have no plans to
use it to raise or manage investment funds.
Sun, 28 Jan
More on Brain Physiology
Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia about the insula:
"The insula has increasingly become the focus of attention for its role
in body representation and subjective emotional experience. In
particular, Antonio Damasio has proposed that this region plays a role
in mapping visceral states that are associated with emotional
experience, giving rise to conscious feelings.
This is in essence a
neurobiological formulation of the ideas of William James, who first
proposed that subjective emotional experience (i.e. feelings) arise from
our brain's interpretation of bodily states that are elicited by
emotional events. This is an example of embodied cognition.
Functionally speaking, the insula is believed to process convergent
information to produce an emotionally relevant context for sensory
More specifically, the anterior insula is related more to
olfactory, gustatory, vicero-autonomic, and limbic function , while the
posterior insula is related more to auditory-somesthetic-skeletomotor
Functional imaging experiments have revealed that the insula
has an important role in pain experience and the experience of a number
of basic emotions, including anger, fear, disgust, happiness and
Functional imaging studies have also implicated the insula in conscious
desires, such as food craving and drug craving. What is common to all of
these emotional states is that they each change the body in some way and
are associated with highly salient subjective qualities. The insula is
well situated for the integration of information relating to bodily
states into higher-order cognitive and emotional processes. The insula
receives information from "homeostatic afferent" sensory pathways via
the thalamus and sends output to a number of other limbic-related
structures, such as the amygdala, the ventral striatum and the
Recent research has shown that cigarette smokers who suffer damage to
the insular cortex, from a stroke for instance, have their addiction to
cigarettes practically eliminated. These individuals were found to be up
to 136 times more likely to quit smoking after the brain damage, and
reported behavior changes such as quitting smoking less than one day
after the brain injury, that they did not smoke again after quitting,
and that they found no urge to resume smoking since quitting. This
suggests a significant role for the insular cortex in the neurological
mechanisms underlying addiction to nicotine and other drugs, and would
make this area of the brain a promising target for novel anti-addiction
Thank you for the information.
Antonio and Hanna Damasio
find out how the brain works
by noticing how it doesn't work
when parts of it are missing.
The Feeling of What Happens
Looking for Spinoza
Sun, 28 Jan
Physiological Support for Rocks Process
Here is the NY Times article that talks about insula as "a prune-sized
region under the frontal lobes that is thought to register gut
And the Rocks Process is a way to reprogram the gut feelings without
surgery. I will bet that if we could do a clinical study we would find
that that the Rocks creates changes in the insula.
Very exciting stuff.
In Clue to Addiction, Brain Injury Halts Smoking
By BENEDICT CAREY
Published: January 26, 2007
Scientists studying stroke patients are reporting today that an injury
to a specific part of the brain, near the ear, can instantly and
permanently break a smoking habit. People with the injury who stopped
smoking found that their bodies, as one man put it, "forgot the urge to
The finding, which appears in the journal Science, is based on a small
study. But experts say it is likely to alter the course of addiction
research, pointing researchers toward new ideas for treatment.
While no one is suggesting brain injury as a solution for addiction, the
finding suggests that therapies might focus on the insula, a prune-size
region under the frontal lobes that is thought to register gut feelings
and is apparently a critical part of the network that sustains addictive
Previous research on addicts focused on regions of the cortex involved
in thinking and decision making. But while those regions are involved in
maintaining habits, the new study suggests that they are not as central
as the insula is.
The study did not examine dependence on alcohol, cocaine or other
substances. Yet smoking is at least as hard to quit as any other habit,
and it probably involves the same brain circuits, experts said. Most
smokers who manage to quit do so only after repeated attempts, and the
craving for cigarettes usually lasts for years, if not a lifetime.
"This is the first time we've shown anything like this, that damage to a
specific brain area could remove the problem of addiction entirely,"
said Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse,
which financed the study, along with the National Institute of
Neurological Disorders and Stroke. "It's absolutely mind-boggling."
Others cautioned that scientists still knew little about the widely
distributed neural networks involved in sustaining habits.
"One has to be careful not to extrapolate too much based on brain
injuries to what's going on in all addictive behavior, in healthy
brains," said Dr. Martin Paulus, a psychiatric researcher at the
University of California, San Diego, and the San Diego V.A. Medical
Center. Still, Dr. Paulus said, the study "opens up a whole new way to
think about addiction."
The researchers, from the University of Iowa and the University of
Southern California, examined 32 former smokers, all of whom had
suffered a brain injury. The men and women were lucid enough to answer a
battery of questions about their habits, and to rate how hard it was to
quit and the strength of their subsequent urges to smoke.
They all had smoked at least five cigarettes a day for two years or
more, and 16 of them said they had quit with ease, losing their cravings
The researchers performed M.R.I. scans on all of the patients' brains to
specify the location and extent of each injury.
They found that the 16 who had quit easily were far more likely to have
an injury to their insula than to any other area. The researchers found
no association between a diminished urge to smoke and injuries to other
regions of the brain, including tissue surrounding the insula.
"There's a whole neural circuit critical to maintaining addiction, but
if you knock out this one area, it appears to wipe out the behavior,"
said Dr. Antoine Bechara, a senior author of the new paper, who is a
neuroscientist at the Brain and Creativity Institute at U.S.C. His
co-authors were Dr. Hanna Damasio, also of U.S.C., and Nasir Naqvi and
David Rudrauf of the University of Iowa.
The patients' desire to eat, by contrast, was intact. This suggests, the
authors wrote, that the insula is critical for behaviors whose bodily
effects become pleasurable because they are learned, like cigarette
The insula, for years a wallflower of brain anatomy, has emerged as a
region of interest based in part on recent work by Dr. Antonio Damasio,
a neurologist and director of the Brain and Creativity Institute.
The insula has widely distributed connections, both in the thinking cortex
above, and down below in subcortical areas, like the brain stem, that
maintain heart rate, blood pressure and body temperature, the body's
primal survival systems.
Based on his studies and others', Dr. Damasio argues that the insula, in
effect, maps these signals from the body's physical plant, and
integrates them so the conscious brain can interpret them as a coherent
The system works from the bottom up. First, the body senses cues in the
outside world, and responds. The heart rate might elevate at the sight
of a stranger's angry face, for example; other muscles might relax in
response to a pleasant whiff of smoke.
All of this happens instantaneously and unconsciously, Dr. Damasio said
— until the insula integrates the information and makes it readable to
the conscious regions of the brain.
"In a sense it's not surprising that the insula is an important part of
this circuit maintaining addiction, because we realized some years ago
that it was going to be a critical platform for emotions," Dr. Damasio
said in a telephone interview. "It is on this platform that we first
anticipate pain and pleasure, not just smoking but eating chocolate,
drinking a glass of wine, all of it."
This explains why cravings are so physical, and so hard to shake, he
said: they have taken hold in the visceral reaches of the body well
before they are even conscious.
Other researchers have found that the insula is activated in unpleasant
circumstances, like a bad smell or the anticipation of a painful shock,
or even in shoppers when they see a price that seems too high. Damage to
the insula is associated with slight impairment of some social function.
While antismoking treatments based on the new findings are still a long
way off, the authors suggest that therapies that replicate some of the
physical sensations of the habit, like inhalers, could be useful.
And at least two previous studies suggest that people can reduce the
sensation of pain by learning to modulate the activity in an area of
In experiments, healthy volunteers watched real-time M.R.I. images of a
cortical region linked strongly to pain sensation and learned to
moderate that neural activity, reducing the pain they felt from a heated
instrument pressed to their palms. The same kind of technique could be
tried with addicts watching images of their insulas.
"The question is, Can you learn to deactivate the insula?" Dr. Volkow
said. "Now, everybody's going to be looking at the insula."
Thank you for the heads-up.
1.Gyri breves insulae
2.Gyri longi insulae
4.Sulcus centralis insulae
5.Sulcus circularis insulae
Sun, 28 Jan
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I think this is helpful for someone who wants to learn C++
Programmers seem to be migrating to
Sun, 28 Jan
Update Austin, TX TTID
Please find attached the updated TTID for the Austin, TX Tribe.
I've taken the liberty of replacing my name and email address with
bitmaps of same. Google now displays Word docs in HTML format
(just like it does for PDFs), and I'm wondering if my email address
is being "scraped," since the number of "stock tout" spam emails
I receive has increased dramatically in the past few months.
Sat, 27 Jan 2007
Guess What This Thing Is
Scroll Down for Answer
This is a 5 Meg Hard Disk in 1956.
In September 1956
IBM launches the 305 RAMAC,
the first computer
hard disk drive (HDD).
The HDD weighs over a ton
and stores 5MB of
I think it's an endorsement for the
free enterprise system.
Today a 4 GB memory stick
holds about a thousand times
as much data
as the drive on the left.
Fri, 26 Jan
Resistance to Feeling Close
Just finished the last FAQs. They are very moving. You are creating a
wonderful support system / technology for people to get clear about their
issues. I am presently feeling and learning about my own resistance to
intimacy ... why I shut down when I feel close to a man.
Shutting down is one of the most
popular methods for medicating sadness.
can be more difficult
Fri, 26 Jan
Thank you for supporting me in my process. I feel that I have overcome a
significant barrier in my life, I am much more in tune with my feelings
now and have a taken a giant step towards being OK with my feelings. I
think I am carrying a “shut down” rock, one passed to me by my father.
The rock allows me to handle difficult situations by not feeling my
feelings. This may the root of some of my issues. Have you encountered a
similar “shut down” rock in your other clients?
I hope you are well and look forward to seeing you soon.
the Tribe to help my address my issue with anger and how I handle
situations in which I am asked to do something I do not agree with or do
no want to do. I am also at Tribe as a first step to becoming more
comfortable with my feelings. I have always put walls up around myself
and jam feelings away so as to have to deal with them. My not feeling
sadness or fear or anxiety, re-manifests itself in anger which is
damaging to my relationships.
Ed begins by asking me why I am at Tribe. I respond by saying that I am
quick to anger over seemingly simple to stupid things. His response is
that this is normal and healthy so he asks “What is the problem” Upon
further examination, I discover that my anger stems from how I handle
situations I which I am asked to do something I do not want to. Ed helps
me to see that my gut reaction is to “comply and resent”. My compliance,
with no expression of feeling or no negotiation lead to a lingering
resentment that is tucked away and not dealt with. This is my “beach
ball held under water”. I can shove it down in the short term but it
will always resurface and resurface much more forcefully later. This
coping mechanism offers no resources to express how I feel; I simply
shut down and in turn, shut the other person down … Unhealthy to say the
As we begin to review my life, we discover that I was handed my “comply
and resent” rock in my childhood. I conclude it was my father who
provided me a rock as a way to deal with my mother. My use of this rock
is re-iterated throughout my life with the same negative results; my
feeling of anger and disruption in my relationships.
We role the earliest scene I can remember using the rock. It involves my
mother asking me to clean my room when I feel it is already clean and do
not want to “do it again” I comply with her request but harbor anger and
resentment towards her.
The Tribe then provides me with a list of new resources as to how I
could better handle the situation. I am given a new rock into which I
place my new resources.
These new resources include:
Tell your feelings and explain your position
Ask her feelings
Express the anger instead of swallowing it
Feelings are OK
Ask for help
Invoke an authority
Breathe and be open
Ask for clarification
Use the look and comply
Stay awake and notice feelings
Ignore the request
I then role play the situation again, this time, I have no rock, old or
new. I have to simply sit there and take the heat, anger and yelling
from my mother. This is intended to help me be OK with my feelings when
people are mad at me.
We role play one more time, this time, I use the resources of my new
rock. By using the resources offered by the Tribe, the outcome is much
I then go on to review all of the times I can remember in my life when I
used my “comply and resent” rock. I utilize the new rock to better
handle the situations.
While my use of these resources is not yet “automatic” I am now
immediately aware of these situations as they occur. I have used the
resources offered by the Tribe to navigate these situations towards more
successful outcomes. I notice that I am more aware of my feelings and I
express them more easily.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Compliance and resentment are
popular ways to medicate various forms of sadness.
Your resource list contains healthy
Fri, 26 Jan
Profit on the Way Up
On 4 Jan 2007 Ed Says
What do you do when you catch a trend? You ride that sucker to the end.
On 1 May 2006 Ed Says:
Sometimes the King-Kong Feeling is a signal to lighten up.
Since you consider taking profits on the way up a counter-trend
strategy, I wonder if you also consider your butcher, baker, and
candlestick maker rule a counter-trend strategy.
Perhaps I should take my desire for consistency to my tribe as an entry
Right now the sale of half of the position at 32.80 looks
prescient. Perhaps, by selling only half on the way up I get to feel the
feeling of selling too soon and the feeling of selling too late.
Lightening up in response to your feelings might be less of a counter-trend
strategy than a counter-risk-strategy.
Some Long-Term Trend Followers
is still in an up-trend.
25 Jan 2007
Feelings About Futures
When and if you have a moment before your tribe meeting I wish to talk
to you more about my feeling ...
I'd just like to flush it out a little more. My sense
is that the commodities are about to rally and stocks
are about to crash. My hunch is that we are about to
see a massive shift back into commodities and it is
going to be huge.
You might consider keeping a diary
of these feelings as they appear, and to correlate them with the
peregrinations of the market.
Thu, 25 Jan
Can you be more specific about how to do the Rocks
Your questions about the Rocks Process
seem to indicate you are still holding the process intellectually.
You might consider getting up on the hot seat
and going through the process a few times.
Thinking About Riding a Bicycle
and defining the important points
about riding a bicycle
is different from
getting up on the seat
and riding a bicycle.
If you do not know
how to ride a bicycle
you might think that
might be the starting point.
Think about yourself learning
how to ride a bicycle
and think about teaching children
how to ride a bicycle
and recall the feelings
about all these kinds of learnings
and then think about how to use
Thu, 25 Jan
Signal to Noise Ratio
This is regarding your post in the April 27-30, 2003FAQ:
"If it's just as likely for a stock to double as fall to half, then the
signal to noise ratio is initially 100% better for the long side."
What do you mean by Signal?
What do you mean by Noise?
Thanks and Regards.
Signal means the overall length of
the price move.
Noise means the size of the
Engineers use signal-to-noise ratios
to design clean-sounding stereo equipment, accurate cameras, etc.
Wed, 24 Jan
More Rock Questions
The more I read about the Rock Process, the more impressive I find! It
surely rocks - the brilliant idea of merging "back-testing" to TTP so
as to find out what works, and then reprogram ourselves to follow just
that - that makes perfect sense to me and is totally awesome!
I have several more questions/comments:
1) In role-playing to recreate the scenario where the subject first
received the rock, are there cases where the cultural background may
be a limitation? By that I mean, for a non native English-speaker,
there may be some cultural values that holds special meaning to him
and others may not easily follow.
Say for example, a subject receives a rock during a very bitter
argument in his native language with his parents. If there are words
that have no equivalent in English, but it brings up extremely strongfeelings specifically to the subject, then the role player may have
difficulty understanding the word, or pronouncing the word correctly.
And if the role play is done in English, it may make the subject's
conscious mind very alert and active in processing and translating the
information, thus impeding the process. No?
2) How does one role-play some traumatic events, like witnessing the
death of a loved one? Or the near-death feeling of drowning? And how
to draw the line of what's appropriate to role-play, like sexual
abuse? Or even something less offensive, such as heart pounding
crazily when trying to kiss a girl?
3) It seems "giving advice" (to come up with a resource list) is a
part of the Rock Process even though in the 11/9/06 document you
specifically say "We don't give advice"? In traditional TTP, we
refrain from advising the sender as it seems to bring up the conscious
mind and derail the process. However, it seems that part of the Rock
Process is conferencing with the messenger and wise people to get
advice in the form of a resource list, am I misunderstanding it?
4) It seems that an experienced tribe is CRUCIAL to come up with a
resource list. If among them is a Spartan football coach or a military
officer who is not too familiar with TTP, they may give advice such as
"You should never cry but fight back strong no matter what." While the
subject can choose to accept the advice or not, it seems that such
advice may trigger the subject's conscious mind and the judgment of
others invalidating his feelings.
5) DIM is usually fruitless with TTP. Do you think DIM can work with
Rock though? For here we are not trying to experience the very
feelings we have been unwilling to experience for years, but rather
just rationally letting our wiser and older self to deliver a better
rock for the young self, and then test the new rock with other similar
That's it for now. Thank you very much for introducing the Rock Process.
Wed, 24 Jan
Resource Rock #2
Speaking from my own recent experience, I had no
clue what the medicine Rock was until I did the Rocks
process, and therefore no way to list new resources,
But I think we can start compiling various templates.
For instance, where childhood abuse is an issue, we
know that the following are good resources:
- enlist the help of an older relative, or neighbor
- call child protective services
And the following apply universally:
- acknowledge your feelings
- it's OK to share your feelings
- it's OK to ask for help
Thank you for sharing your
Wed, 24 Jan
I have been thinking about the resource rock that replaces the medicine
rock. I believe that the resources that go into the new rock could be
thought about and listed outside of the process. Then once the process
begins this list could be the starting point and the person on the hot
seat can see if these resources are ones that they would still like to
be on the list.
I think your question answers itself
once you participate in the Rocks Process.
Sat, 30 Dec
Do you agree or disagree with this site's discussion and
The Bernoulli principle says
this slower moving air
will appear to the wing
to have a higher
that faster moving air.
Clip and text:
I consider the statement to be
abusive of both the Bernoulli Principle and the English language.
Tue, 23 Jan
As I'm going through the Rock articles, one thing that really stands
out is the identification of when one first receives the Rock. It just
doesn't seem possible to me.
Even in TTP, the sender doesn't
necessarily get a flashback every time. And even if there is a
flashback, it isn't necessarily the "first time" that he receives the
But that seems to be the key. It seems that we need to know a lot
about the sender, or he himself needs to be very observant about his
own behavior to connect the dots and draw a pattern so as to arrive at
an appropriate rock. It also sounds a lot of psycho-analysis. I wonder
how you can do it so effectively with strangers.
Overall, it does sound like a very exciting process. I look forward to
experiencing it myself, and maybe then I can understand. After all, it
was also very difficult when I first learned TTP only through your
website without really seeing how it works.
People seem to get the hang of the
Rocks Process by seeing it in action and by practicing it.
Riding a Bicycle
is like TTP.
It's easier to learn how to do it
when you can watch someone else
who knows how.
Tue, 23 Jan
I'm glad your in my life as a constant reminder of who I can be, and
what I can
do, when I am willing to take action, and stop making excuses.
How about we remind each other.
Tue, 23 Jan
Report on our Last Tribe Meeting
As I have been looking for a place to hold tribe meetings, a trader
friend who runs his own fund suddenly inquires about TTP, and invites
me to hold a meeting at his office with his traders.
At about the same
time I also get several inquiries to join our local tribe, so I invite
these new comers to our meeting as well. I feel very excited that it
must be my intention to have tribe meetings manifesting as results.
Altogether we have eight new comers to TTP (plus myself) in the
I go through the same exercises as in the Trading Tribe book (and what
we go through in the Jan 2006 Workshop) about process managing,
sending and receiving, including the "Tell me what you are thinking"
and "I wonder how you are feeling" exercises.
Then comes the hot seat. At check-in, everyone sounds very curious
about what's going to happen, as none of them have prior hot seat
experience. I ask for volunteers, and finally get one. When I ask
about his trading and etc., he expresses some feelings related to his
losses in recent months.
I encourage him to experience his feelings, cheering for him loudly,
ask him to crank up the feelings and do more of his (rocking back and
forth, shaking heads ...).
Unfortunately, I am about the only person. I
thought receiving would be easy to pick up - we cheer for our favorite
football team without anyone instructing us how to cheer - yet I
forget that when I first started TTP I also wasn't comfortable in
receiving, not to mention the awkwardness in encouraging a person to
experience a feeling that he obviously dislikes.
So without a field of acknowledgment and support, I find it difficult.
The sender gets close several times to a freezing point, but just lack
the extra push to get through the hump. I keep encouraging, yet deep
inside, I also feel a little discouraged because I can sense that the
receivers are getting bored and not into the process at all. They
become observers and not participants, and there is little support.
I commit to the process. My intention is to do everything I can to
help the sender. So it takes about 45 minutes to an hour, and the
sender finally comes out and reports some knotty feelings from some
childhood events. Interestingly, he expresses that it feels like 15
minutes for him on the hot seat.
I've learned a lot too. I learn that the importance of willingness,
not only on the sender, but also the receivers. I now appreciate fully
the importance of a strong supportive field of acknowledgment. I learn
that TTP (and many other things in life) is what you make of it: if
you indulge yourself in it, get into the Process, hours go by and it
feels like minutes. If you remain a distant observer, minutes go by
and it feels like seconds. I recall how Einstein explains Relativity,
"When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour it seems like a
minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and its longer
than any hour. That's relativity."
Later, I receive an email from the sender who once again thank me
about the experience (I tell him, "Thank Ed instead.")
friend who invites me to do the TTP says he would want to try it
again, but he prefers to be only with other traders in his fund.
feels otherwise it is time wasted to cheering some stranger for an
hour when he could have something else better to do. I acknowledge his
concerns, but I feel that is against what it means to be a Tribe, and
so I can only keep searching for another location to host regular
I also wonder about my own intention. I'd love to have regular TTP
meetings, yet the result is indicating otherwise. I wish I can find
the positive intention of this "want-to-have-TTP-but-cannot" feelings
on the hot seat too.
It seems I must really enjoy this feeling then
even though consciously and logically I am crying out loud NO WAY. I
think this is truly a catch-22 for if I can have regular TTP then I
wouldn't have the feeling, right? Ha ha, as I re-read the last
paragraph, it even sounds like I am a TTP addict :-)
Before you accept invitations to
present TTP to a group, you might consider having all the participants
read this web-site and sign up individually.
Doing TTP Without an Invitation
is like pulling teeth.
Tue, 23 Jan
Dear Mr. Seykota,
Can you please explain a little about Casual Models so we can understand
the exchange when reading this new method in FAQ.
Thank you very much.
See the Glossary link, above.
Tue, 23 Jan
I haven't mailed before now because I wanted to reflect on what I
experienced and saw at The Workshop.
Both you and The s--- seeking missile are extraordinary people. Just
to be in your company is awe inspiring.
The effect that you have on other human beings is a sight to behold, you
are a very gifted man.
When I arrived home I was greeted by my wife and kids. My kids jumped
all over me and my wife got me a cocktail.
When the kids went to bed my wife jumped all over me. It was good to be
In this part of my life I am very fortunate.
For a day or two I did have a feeling that something was missing. This
soon seemed to pass.
Attending the workshop has given me a much better idea of what is
possible with TTP if you are committed.
I now must systemize in my trading, dig deeply to find my issues and
commit to my fellow tribe members, family and friends to the best of my
ability. [possibly not in that order]
I look forward to spending some more time with you and the SSM,
God willing, in the not too distant now !
Thank you for sharing your process.
Lovers Who Like to Jump
can do it on a bungee.
Clip: [Attribution absent, by site manager request, March 27, 2014]
Tue, 23 Jan
Workshop Feedback - Life Changing
I notice that since the workshop, largely all of my relationships have
Much relationship pressure has been released as I stay in tune with how
I feel and instinctively try to support people for who they are.
I also notice that I feel quite disoriented since the rocks process. I
seem to be re-programming some of my responses. My preferences are
changing or perhaps some of the medication is no longer necessary. (Gym
Rat / Vegatarian >> Eat whatever I want / do whatever I want). Oddly enough
(and most interesting to me), I don’t feel any form of the guilt / longing
that kept me in the gym or to my strict diet. I mainly just feel happy
to be alive and am enjoying the process.
Workshop felt like snapshot of human connection. That is a wonderful
I also am driving my life from the emotional control panel and going
with flow perspective (few crashes). The emotional control panel seems
to be more in tune with me than my CM ever was.
I also notice that accepting all of my feelings equates with accepting
my process and makes me feel peaceful. It’s almost like the control
I don’t quite understand this as it relates to my snapshot as I want to
grab the snapshot.
Yes there are things standing in between that I don’t want to feel. I
have a lot of tribe work.
The workshop was a life changing event Ed.
Thank you for sharing your process.
I, Former Gym Rat
hereby declare to lose the guilt
and to eat whatever I want
and to do whatever I want.