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June 11 - 20, 2009


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Contributors Say

(Previous from Ed in Red)

Ed Says

Friday, June 19, 2009


Long-Term Changes in Tribe Members

Dear Ed,

As I walk down the hall to our tribe meeting this week I see members of our tribe standing outside the room talking and I think of the contrast of how they look now compared to how they looked the first time they attended one of our meetings. The way they hold their body, their facial expressions and movements.

I feel happy and satisfied to see the improvements each has made for themselves by participating, exploring their feelings and working on issues in their lives. I also feel the changes I have made and then realize that they no doubt see these changes in me also.


As the meeting went on I wanted to write you and thank you for continuing to make this work available to others and keeping it alive.


Thank you Ed, you have been a blessing to many people you may never even meet or ever be aware of.

Thank you for your support.

Friday, June 19, 2009



see:  previous


Dear Ed,

Thank you for your kind insults.

What makes you think I enjoy being called a whiner, arrogant, guilt tripper, nazi, imprecise person?

I had a simple request that you send me a sample trading report and in return I get a string of sarcastic and rude responses.

You have failed to realize that I am trying to help you, and perhaps taking offense to someone offering to trade your funds for you as opposed to asking you to trade their funds for them.

I have calculated my 8.5 year ACAGR to be 79.88% which is double that of Mr. Warren Buffet and is NET of withdrawals.

Your reactions perhaps indicate you regard me as a threat to your "God of trading" complex.

Nice of you to try to give me a complex too. But I assure you I don't require one at the moment.

The first tribe meeting will be spent on portfolio optimization improvements rather than figuring out the motivations for your insults.

I wonder what you will call me next?

Recent trade: Long trade opening bought 1000 [Symbol] @ 315.1 (extremely bad fill at the days high). I am reducing size and activity during summer months probably until end of August.

I recall receiving a stream of trades (maybe about one per day) from your "system" that do not tie to any kind of brokerage statement. I do not see any back-test to explain the trades. I find the trading frequency rather high. I find the "probably until August" somewhat arbitrary for a system trader.


My request to you for an equity line and supporting monthly statements results in your making excuses and whining.


You are now apparently responding with  feelings of rejection and anger.


You might consider taking your issues around selling your money management services to Tribe.  Perhaps you can learn to respond in ways that might motivate potential clients to open accounts with you.


Such is the work of the Rocks Process.


I do not know of any money managers who succeed in opening accounts by whining at clients.




Whining is Typically a Resource


in a Medicinal Rock



Clip: http://media.photobucket.com/image/


Friday, June 19, 2009


Looking Like Ben Franklin

Dear Ed,

Your experiments are so smart, your even starting to look like Ben Franklin with your glasses on. But a more fit Franklin.

Congratulations on your work, and I look forward to the new book. Thank you for your site, and continue to persevere in the face of opposition.

Thank you for your support.



Fake Benjamin


The real Benjamin

in on the "real" 100 dollar bill.



Clip: http://www.ben1776.com/colonial.htm

Friday, June 19, 2009 


Still Wants Tricks


see: previous

Dear Ed,

I do not want tricks. I want to know what you spoke of in Market Wizards as typed below!

Would you ever tell me what it was you were speaking about in that interview?

No one in my Tribe has made 250,000% I want to.
You can say 'No' if you prefer.

I'm not clear what you are after.

Friday, June 19, 2009


IVTT Meeting Follow-Up

Dear Ed,

A wonderful meeting. A great thing happened to me - I met you guys - and now you are stuck [with me].


Please send any contact information you might want me to have, and beware, I will use it.

This Spring 09 Tribe has been one of the most wonderful things I've ever experienced. You guys made me feel wonderful. I can't really explain what a precious gift you have given me, to be included in your group. For one thing I feel smarter than I've ever felt in my life, more focused, and just well really great.


I've made some giant leap forward- I don't even know how to explain it. So I guess I'll just let it unfold in the NOW.


Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Likes Questions

Ed says, "You might consider taking your feelings about <communicating largely by asking questions> to Tribe."


(FAQ, 6/15/09, "Communication Forms")

LOL! I guess I am still stuck with Ed's FAQ (which as of June 1-10, 2009 it is still formerly "Frequently Asked Questions"). I wonder when
you change it to Frequently Appearing Questions.

Well, I feel very good when people ask me questions, or even challenging my assumptions. I learn a lot from the process. In fact, I think it's genius of you to have a FAQ forum, which I'd like to model after. I wonder how it feels to receive so many questions from people all over seeking your wisdom.


Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Co-Workers Become More Friendly

Dear Ed:


See Below

I just wanted to share that Jerk IT guy came to my desk after the pathetic, jealous co-worker encouraged him to start communicating in harmony with me.


The Friendly IT guy help me to a great extent yesterday and the A friendly co-worker wish me a good luck for this trip to Reno. Totally different outcome.


The controlling, dictating, beautiful assistant is hard to know if it's a drama. She was working on charity today. I may have huge judgment about her. Thank you for all your sharing.



I'm not quite sure what you are saying.


You might consider having someone check your English before you send emails.



Wednesday, June 17, 2009



Dear Ed,


You are include amongst some other heavy weights.

Clip: http://www.michaelcovel.com/influences/

Thank you for the link.

Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Wants a Format for Presenting Results

Hello Ed,

I can provide you with the information you need, but require a sample of the format-layout you prefer my trades to be displayed as.

Please email me a sample so I can prepare the report for you, it will take me several months to input the data as my recent trades are not logged.

If you do not have a real intention of following this through, I prefer that you inform me sooner rather than after I invest this time to make the report.

Calling me arrogant is not exactly fair, as I have been sending my trades as I do them to prove my ability, which I felt you had some doubts about.

I have told you several times that I will stop sending them if you ask me to stop, and as you haven't, then I am continuing to send them.

As preparatory for "pitching" your services, you might consider:


1.  Catching up with your data logging and reporting,


2. Defining your trading rationale,


3. Preparing a performance summary and charts to show your MAR.


You might also consider taking your feelings about <fairness> and <whining> to Tribe.




The Theory of Fairness


is generally a ploy

to justify re-distribution.


from those who have

to those who whine.


Clip: http://www.pocketparent.com/child.jpg

Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Wants Software Recommendation

Hi Ed,

Can you recommend a computer programming class or course or language I should learn that would be beneficial for the trading realm … for developing or testing a trading system … or is there some retail software you recommend? .... i need to test some ideas to see if I have a edge or not but am not sure how to go about it …

If you are just starting out, you might consider using Excel as a way to help clarify your ideas and to explore how back-testing works. 


You might also consult the TSP link, above.


Once you have an idea where you are going, you might  be more able to determine which software fits you.

Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Feedback on the Milk Model


The more the Milk Model evolves in the now, the clearer and the best it is.

I did not understand anything the first time I was in front of it, mainly last week. Now I do.

By replacing "the pour rate" by "flow", and by changing the "spigot" with this white tap with the green button, I find it definitely clearer.

And thank you to explain things in a such clear and simple way. "Trend following" is totally right when it says that you speak with the correctness and accuracy of the words.

The demonstration Cause and Effect from Eco-Now-Mics is the most useful thing I learn for a while.

Thank you for your feedback.  It is helping to steer the project.

Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Rocks Process & Universal Resources


A Short note -

Re: Rocks Process

One of the steps involve canvassing the tribe for resources. Participating is this process many times and then in Reno in April, I think that you have identified some 'universal' resources:

* Empathy for the other (s) in the 'scene.'

* Staying conscious/awake/attentive

* Accessing Creativity

Then reintroducing a small percentage of the original behavior, the process supports:

* Choice

Other Frequently Appearing Resources are:


Sharing feelings.

Receiving others' feelings.


The rocks process provides a way to implement these resources naturally and automatically in response to emotions.

Wednesday, June 17, 2009

Thanking the Firing Boss



I have [an] issue with my ex-boss. I worked in another bank and he offered me a job with his company. After three months and in spite of the crisis (Aug-Dec 08), we did a good job and he still fired me.

Before the Workshop I was upset because he offered me the job and after three months he fired me!


After the workshop, I thought about what exactly was it that I wanted to do, what my real desire is Money Management.


I called him to say thank you and invited him to have a lunch with me and he always gives excuses and i say it is ok if he does not want to have a lunch with me.

Thank you for sharing your process.

Wednesday, June 17, 2009


Feedback Loop


In the general field of Dynamic System, what is feedback loop exactly?

What would be another name of "feedback loop"?

Is the feedback loop the information of one element of the system in the now or is it something else?

A feedback loop is a structure in which the signal output from each element feeds around through the other elements and back to itself.


The Feedback Loop is the basic interactive structure in EcoNowMics.


You might consider working through the exercises on the EcoNowMics pages to get a feel for feedback, feedback systems and feedback loops.




The Signal Output Feeds Back

to Modify the Input


Clip: http://www.morning-earth.org

Tuesday, June 16, 2009


Reading Historical FAQ's

Hi Ed,

I thank you for your support. I continue to review my Big Wave and achieve further clarity. I have an "AHA" moment when I focus on reading FAQ 2003.


It is so powerful an experience that I read FAQ 2004 immediately.


Focusing on the FAQ increases my clarity about the TTP processes and trend following. The insights and teachings in FAQ is more than any book volume can ever contain and I thank Ed for this resource.

I have a significant draw down in my ET activity but I recover.


Tuesday, June 16, 2009


Dear Ed,

Today I fully comprehend the word "experience".

Why do you think the natural tendency is to resist experiencing than to simply experience and achieve?

Success is inevitable.

Thank you very much yet yet yet again!

You are Awesome.

I do not usually respond to "why" questions - or other invitations to invoke the causal model.

Tuesday, June 16, 2009




Please remove it IMMEDIATELY. There are 3 photos, copyright protected. I?m the photographer and gave NO permission to use it. If you don?t respect my copyright and remove this file, I?ll contact my lawyer.

Kind regards,

I am happy to remove the item.


If you wish to protect your work, you might consider applying a copyright notice to it.


When you contact your lawyer, you might point out to him that his profession rests upon the the notions of blame and guilt and that these, in turn, rest upon the causal model.



Tuesday, June 16, 2009


Intention Empowers In-Vitro


My wife and I commit ourselves to the goal of having a child. We have fertility issues, so we acknowledge it's a long-term project with an uncertain result. After a few years we seek assistance, and resolve to pay a lot of money if necessary.

We experience our feelings when we are stopped out on our first three IVF (In Vitro Fertilization) attempts. We begin to doubt that we will ever succeed, although there is no known medical reason why we should be failing repeatedly. Our doctors claim to be surprised, saying they thought ours would be a straight-forward case.


They say that there are probably undetectable factors preventing us from conceiving. My wife is very upset. I feel inadequate and empty, and frightened for our relationship.

I think about some of the wisdom I have read on the Tribe website. I suggest to my wife that as a "straight-forward" case, with an estimated 50% chance of success on each attempt, we may be experiencing a series of unfavorable "coin tosses." I demonstrate this by repeatedly tossing a coin, which comes up heads eight times in a row.

We stick with the plan and pull the trigger. On our fourth IVF attempt, we catch a big wave. We couldn't be happier:







Tuesday, June 16, 2009


Wants Tricks


Can you point me in the right direction to learn more about "expert trading rules" and "tricks of the trade"

You might consider taking your feelings about <wanting to know tricks> to Tribe.


You might also consider mastering the essentials of trading.

Monday, June 15, 2009





Ed says, "You might consider working through the examples on EcoNowMics" (FAQ 6/14/09, "Control, Intimacy and Progress")

I did already, and I want to say that it's very cool. Congratulations on the work and your progress.

I like the Tracker java applet. Without reading the text I was playing with it, and I notice how increasing the lag while lowering the TC makes the chart a sinusoid, much like the pendulum. Then I realize how important the feedback process is in life. When people criticize us, they are giving us an immediate feedback. Most people ignore the
criticism because "it hurts their feelings", and they end up going in circle and making the same mistake over and over. Now I see that, beyond the feelings, there is actually a lot to learn and I start to appreciate the direct feedback people give me (through various forms).

I am also interested in the term "gain" (inverse of time-constant). This is the first time I heard it used in such a way - I suppose it is some system dynamics jargon? If TC = Time to Reach Target, then the inverse of it is kinda like a frequency? It is interesting that we call it "gain."

Lastly, thank you for introducing me to a whole new perspective on management. I love it and I feel a sense of wonder.

I look forward to reading the rest of the EcoNowMics, thanks!

Although frequency-framing and time-framing may be mathematically equivalent, I prefer "frequency" to the reciprocal, "time."


We tend to think of color (blue) and pitch  (A-440) as frequencies, not as time or distance between waves.


We tend to think of repetitive events in terms of frequency.  Your heart rate might be between 60 and 120 beats per minute.  You have breakfast once per day. 



Monday, June 15, 2009


Spotting Issues

Ed says, "You might consider taking your feelings about <inconsistency>, <ambiguity> and <irritation> to Tribe."

Thanks for your help in bringing up my feelings about inconsistency and ambiguity, and acknowledging and receiving them even when I am not aware of them until you say so.

You are welcome.


One of the principles of the Tribe is that we can assist each other in spotting issues.

Monday, June 15, 2009


Communication Forms

Ed says, "You can also make progress by learning other communication styles" (FAQ 6/15/09, "Control, Intimacy and Progress")

"Aha". Sorry I was slow. I did not notice you use "Move to Another Form of Communication" as the subject to my original question instead of "Progress" until I read your answer to my
follow-up question.

OK great, it seems like you have some new discovery here. I am interested in learning other communication styles. Can you please tell me
more what they might be and perhaps some examples?

You might consider taking your feelings about <communicating largely by asking questions - rather than by sharing feelings> to Tribe.



Here is a website with some forms of communication:




Monday, June 15, 2009


Wants to Talk

Dear Sir,

I read your interview in the Jack Schwager book and ever since have dreamt of talking / corresponding with you. I know it's kind of
far-fetched for someone like me, but it's just a dream. I'm visiting and I'll be here for a while. I was wondering if you'd spare a few minutes to talk with me. It will mean a lot.


Monday, June 15, 2009


Forest Gate Tribe


Hi Ed,


Please find enclosed new tribe directory.

There is no space for address and telephone number, which I have sent should you need it.



Forest Gate





Monday, June 15, 2009


Sixteen Tons


Dear Ed,


I thought you would enjoy this:

Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?


Thank you for sharing this clip.

Monday, June 15, 2009


Milk Model Java Applet


I notice the improvement in the Milk Model java applet.

I recall a week or so ago that the rate control slider seems overly sensitive, and now the slider sensitivity feels controllable. Perhaps the delay
between time steps is slowed now, giving the user of the application more response time.

I like the feel of the control now.

I notice the issues with the "ghosting".


I am open to helping you with development.

Thank you for your comments and your offer.

Monday, June 15, 2009


On The Margin

Dear Ed,


I was looking at the Support Resistance System - Margin in the TSP and I have a question regarding the Margin calculation.

When reviewing the trade on Mar 26, 1976, I notice the position size is 12,600 units or $8,686,440.00. Based on the 20% margin requirement in the program the amount of money you would need to execute this trade is ($1,737,288) greater than the amount that is shown in the equity log on Mar 26th ($983,065).

I have managed to duplicate the results using 0% margin, but when I enter the 20% margin in the system test screen my results differ. Can you advise if the calculation is based on zero percent margin.

The simulation does not include a margin monitor. 


In general, you might find futures margin to be around 5% of contract value - with occasional periods in which the margin can be much higher, even over 100% in some cases.

Monday, June 15, 2009


His Wife's View of TTP

She Likes It


Dear Ed,

I mentioned to Ed that my wife has a Master's degree in Clinical Counseling with a specialty in Family Systems. Ed asks what changes my wife notices since my involvement with TTP. Below is her response.


Since last summer [Name] has been, and still is, undergoing a powerful transformation. He is doing serious work examining and bringing about change in his life, ambitions, goals, and personal road blocks. Not only is he examining these things, he is actualizing these things with growth and continuing success in his personal and professional life. This new path is enlightening for him, for us as a couple, and for our family, and is bringing us greater happiness.

[Name] is working on these things with Tribe and in his daily life with increased communications and clarity that he previously lacked. At times all this change is difficult for him as he is actively challenging and reframing a lifetime system of behavior patterns and beliefs. I believe when your brain is used to firing neurons along a certain pathway, and you spend a considerable amount of time thinking and behaving in certain patterns, as that pattern changes and broadens it is a challenge to keep from slipping back into the old, comfortable patterns. [Name]'s new found deep awareness of this helps him to consciously broaden his lens when certain triggers tempt him to relapse into older patterns and narrower perceptions.

As his wife I support and enjoy his growth. I enjoy the increased awareness he has, and enjoy the increase of clarity and depth in his communication skills in regards to his feelings and goals. [Name] is experiencing an increased awareness, and he is actively changing the things in his life that he has found no longer work for him, or get in his way. He is more relaxed and happier in many aspects, and has prioritized his life in a way that better suits him. When he spends time with our son he is fully accessible, attentive, and enthralled by him. Of course this change is an ongoing process that is not always smooth. I believe he is experiencing true growth.

Thank you for sharing this information.

Monday, June 15, 2009


Control ==> Intimacy

Relationship with Wife Improving

Dear Ed,

As I announced, I was in [Country] for 6 days; hence, I am sending you the report of the last two weeks.

I observed some further progress in my responses. I try to ask myself “how do I react from an intimacy perspective” as frequently as possible. When I do it, I am receptive to the feelings of the other person and I can also talk about my feelings while I avoid manipulation. The process is turning smoother and more automatic. This is the nice part.

I also experience a major improvement in the relationship with my wife.


Frequently, as I try to show her my affection, she expresses rejection. This happens again, and I get really mad. I am so furious that for minutes I ask myself what to do. I experienced this situation frequently before; for years I carried the feeling of anger the whole day and engaged myself in endless drama. This time I talk to my wife about my feelings. As I tell her how angry I am, I start crying. I feel desolated. I tell her that I cannot stand the feeling of being rejected when I try to show her my feelings. I keep on crying. After some instants, I enjoy it, I laugh, and I feel elated.


Then, I can explain to her very calmly that I try to show her what I feel for her, and that I don't know what to do when she turns away or shows rejection. She is not annoyed or freaked out.


She listens to me. It is not the first time that I tell her about the problem, but it is the first time that she understands how I feel.


I observe that I have problems with the issue “rejection”. I wonder how my wife reacts to me when I resolve this issue on the Hotseat.

The bad part is that I experience several situations in which I react instinctively, and in this case I do not accept the feelings of the other person or express my own feelings. This happens several times in [Country].


However, we have a very long and very intimate talk with my sisters and my mother about our troubles. My mother tells me about her most intimate problem, for the first time. The only person she told about it before was a psychologist (who obviously did not help).

I am not quite satisfied with the results, but I see progress and I keep on working. Since my Tribe does not carry out the Rock process, next week I visit the Tribes in [City] and IV.

I thank you for the feedback and for your support.

Thank you for sharing your process.


You might consider taking your feelings about <rejection> to Tribe.







The positive intention

is guidance toward another path.




















Clip: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_



Monday, June 15, 2009


Voluntary and Involuntary Intention


For about 30 years, I have never taken responsibility for the unpleasant results I got. I've always blamed others and things when I got an unpleasant result. Of course, when I got a pleasant result, I was the unique cause of my success: no luck, no thanks to others, no thanks to things, just and only thanks to me and my smartness and intellect.

About my intentions, I notice that I always made one distinction: my voluntary intention and my involuntary intention. Moreover, what I called "intention" was actually a "wish" in the non-existing future, not at all "the structure of my system" now in the present.

Finally, thanks to you great Chief, I understand that what I call "voluntary intention" is what my conscious mind tells me, and what I call "involuntary intention" is what Fred tells me to do.


That is to say, I thought for 30 years that I was not responsible for my Fred and I notice that many people still think in that way.

Indeed, we may waste all our lives by not taking responsibility. Intention is just Intention, there is not "voluntary" intention neither "involuntary" intention: intention is intention and nothing else.

For 30 years, I was in a wrong direction.


I'm afraid when I think that I may have not met your knowledge and experience. And today I love to feel this fear.

Thank you for sharing your process.




People who Claim


their Results differ from their Intentions

and that someone else is to blame


reveal their real intentions

are to blame.






Clip: http://www.poppendieck.com/


Sunday, June 14, 2009


Ambiguity and Irritation

Hi Ed,

Thanks for your answer.

Ed says, "The More You Obsess about Progress, the more loopy you get." (FAQ 6/5/09, "Move to Another Form of Communication")

I totally agree with that statement. It is what prompts me to ask you about Progress in the first place.

However, it seems that measuring progress is inherent in the Big Wave Process, for we specifically come up with measurement criteria to keep track of our progress.

Moreover, measuring progress also seems to be inherent in all tribal work as we test for willingness, as you mention in "Willingness Testing" (FAQ, 12/14/08), "Sometimes people say they are willing to do the work and then they do not do it and they do not make progress." (It seems that we use their result of no progress as an indication of
their real intention - which is unwillingness to do the work)

So my questions are:

1) Do you think it is a better trade-off to stop taking measurement on our progress, or is it a necessary part in TT works?

2) In the 9/23/03 FAQ, you mention that "Things you measure tend to improve", does it apply to progress?

You might consider taking your feelings about <inconsistency>, <ambiguity> and <irritation> to Tribe.




Trying to Rid the World of Ambiguity


is one good way


to justify feelings of irritation.








Clip: http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/then-a-


Sunday, June 14, 2009


Control, Intimacy and Progress

Hi Ed,

I have two questions on Control / Intimacy. In many cases you mention about a) moving from control-based to intimacy-based relationship
(e.g. FAQ 6/9/09, "Noise"), while other times you'd say b) it is a balancing act between the two (e.g. FAQ 6/10/09, "Sending and Receiving with Children").

While I understand that the statements need not be mutually exclusive, my questions are:

1) If there's a continuum where on one end is control and on the other end is intimacy, do you see it our target as absolute (strictly moving
towards intimacy, as (a) seems to imply), or do you see it more as relative (we need a combination of control and intimacy, so likely
somewhere in between), as (b) seems to imply)?

2) If it is a balancing act as you say, I wonder how come I never seem to recall you mentioning moving from intimacy-based relationship
towards a little more control (i.e. when we "overshoot" on the intimacy), whereas I see that many times you'd talk about moving from control-centric to intimacy-centric)?

I appreciate your clarification, thanks.

You might consider working through the examples on EcoNowMics. 


Progress can have a couple of meanings.


You can make progress within the loop by moving toward the goal (filling the glass). 


You can also make progress by staying in the now, observing your glass-filling policy and allowing it to evolve.


In Matters of Complaining and Arguing


You can make progress

by complaining loudly

and by winning arguments.


You can also make progress

by learning other communication styles.



Clip: http://www.tailored.com.au/uploaded_images


Sunday, June 14, 2009



Hi Ed,

In "Wants to Overcome Shyness" (FAQ 12/13/08), you leave the contributor's name.

In an untitled post (FAQ 6/10/09, between "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly Black Tie Ukulele Concert" and "Rolling Convention for 210 Day
High / Low Donchian System and Execution Rules"), you leave out any response

Thank you for the catches.

Sunday, June 14, 2009


Lift of Auto-Rotating Plant Seeds

Hello Ed,

I think you might find this interesting. I read an article in Spiegel-online about the lift of rotating plant seeds.

Clip: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/


Maybe it contains some useful information for you to work on your theory of radial momentum. I really like the new page about radial momentum on the FAQs.

I also wonder if you think that one can learn to get a "feel" for the markets.

Thank you for the link.


People tend to have very little trouble getting feelings about the market.  You might consider finding ways to adhere to sound trading principles when  these feelings arise.

Sunday, June 14, 2009


Becoming Aware of Feelings

Dear Tribe;

Report for the week of June 15th.

This week my account value changed by <.20%> I happily was stopped out several times and happily bought back in. I'm not happily higher- but I did save myself some money and losses. I'm a tiny bit sad - if all losses are sadness, but content that my losses weren't much, much worse. I am here to make Money.

I am noticing this week that I'm getting attached to some of my better performing stocks. I observe my attachment. I remind myself that stocks are not people. It seems like a lesson I should have absorbed long ago- but here it is. I need to relearn it.

FAQ days 5
Gym 7
Yoga 5
German 5
Travel 3

Further, I am depressed and felt that the world is coming apart, I feel overwhelmed. Then I am realizing that my mother died on this day - a long time ago.

Thank you for sharing your process.

Sunday, June 14, 2009

Health & Fitness


Dear Ed,

I notice the support you receive with regards to weight loss and getting into shape as I catch up on recent FAQ postings. I would also like to support you on getting into shape.

I am a former "fat boy". I struggled with being overweight for most part of my life. Since 2001, I managed to change that. I go to the gym regularly and maintain a clean, healthy diet. The change in lifestyle also changes my life positively in many other ways. I have some of my best insights while exercising.

I take a systematic approach to achieving my fitness goals. I have attached some of the training/nutrition plans I follow, which I got from various sites and adapted to my personal circumstances.

I do not claim expertise in the area, but health and fitness is another subject of great interest to me.

I am more than happy to support you on your current exercise / nutrition plan or work with you on developing a system that suits you which I can also support you on following.

I am very excited about supporting you on your book and look forward to focusing my efforts on this project.


I enjoy the tracker article and think of the effects of failure in feedback mechanisms particularly in the case of pitot tubes on airplanes which come to light following the recent Air France incident.

Thank you for your support.


Sunday, June 14, 2009


Making Lemonade from Lemons

Dear Ed,

A great realization just came in the moment of NOW. My contrarian behavior and success in the stock market has come mainly because of lack of support, guidance and family bonding in my childhood when I had to choose independently what was best for me under those circumstances and ensure odds in my favor.


I took decisions based on what I felt was best for me given the lemons I was handed over continuously. I did what was fat pitch at that point of NOW. I now see the positive side of lack of support and bonding.




Thanks ED for this awareness.

Thank you for sharing your process.


You might consider the positive intention of the feeling of lack of support.

Sunday, June 14, 2009

Staying in the NOW reduces Stress.


Dear Ed,

I have finished all my office / work related clutter based on Bill Gates’ one remark about Charlie Munger. I am now focusing on clearing house clutter and then on to mental clutter. Clearing clutter has helped me to be in NOW.


Your guidance about NOW is helping me. I have realized why I am attracted to Trading Tribe. It is because of a lack of family support, bonding and very difficult circumstances during my childhood. It is deprival syndrome and craving for teamwork.


I am a contrarian guy and have always taken independent decisions, but the bonding craving is still there. I now accept that craving the way it is and have observed that it is losing its power over me.


I met one of your Trading Tribe members recently and was amazed to see the difference in his attitude. Noticed how calm he is. Your FAQ has to a certain extent become a platform for people to express their inner feeling and get support and guidance in the NOW. Just like how Warren Buffett has helped many investors with his clarity, your guidance is helping many people in the moment of NOW.


I am still not a trader but have decided to become one and so I am reading and learning a lot. I have organized life in such a way that I can devote much more time towards learning.


I am also seeing myself moving towards intimacy-centric relationships and it is reducing my stress. I see myself mixing more with people who do not make my stomach churn or take my advantage. I know the tendency is just to avoid pain and distractions. I just love that decision. I am hoping to become a [Country] Tribe member soon.

Thank you for sharing your process.



Worrying About

the Non-Existing Past and Future


disappears in the moment of now.








Clip: http://americanretirementsolutions.wdfiles.


Sunday, June 14, 2009


Engine Runs on Less Alcohol

Dear Ed:

I hope you are well. I am impressed with the New Economic Section. Thank you for sharing your valuable knowledge.

Since the last IV meeting, I have been kind of spaced out for a bit. I guess in a positive way. After all the workshops and rock processes, I feel like the last rock process was the deepest one I have ever experienced and certainly the most tough dealing with. I am going through adjustment everyday. I am glad and feel fortunate that I cornered myself in to getting to the rock and replacing with the proactive one. With a help of you and other tribe members.

Things that touched me the most was when you actually shared your feelings to role player. In this case was a "Pathological Jealous Mother". During the willingness testing, Ed process manages me in to identify in to finding the root rock that is controlling me. I like to point out I got to corner my self in to this situation as hot seat and willing sender by keep measurement of my progress of bumper sticker and or Big Wave. By measuring, the truth will prevail. So I have problem. I have a glitch in my system and I want to fix it.

I corner myself and Ed and the tribe is there to support me with my willingness. One thing for sure, even with your willingness, unless there is support from your tribe members, it is impossible in my opinion to share your feelings during role playing. By feelings, I mean true feelings. Before the last IV meetings, I participated in a local tribe meeting and had done the rock process and one of the proactive rocks was "Share True Feelings" This was a big one for me. This contributed to the IV rock process. Ironically, one of the new resource I got during the IV rock process was "Be Creative and Combine" so that worked out very good for me"

Going back to share true feelings, during the rock process, Messenger provided me with a brand new proactive rock. I accept the rock. Now we start role playing again and there is the opportunity to share your feelings, however initially I maneuvered and said something different and try to explain instead of sharing feelings. Messenger and process manager keep guiding me to get back on track to share true feelings. I keep maneuvering to something else and yet messenger keeps and helps me back on track to share feelings.


Ed is the process manager and he finally gets me down to either sharing my feelings now or I am wasting everyone's time and we stop the process. I pause for a moment and decided to face my mother and started to share my feelings:

I am embarrassed
I am upset,
I am very SAD
finally I am very DISAPPOINTED

I like to point out Messenger keeps helping me to say to my mother "It's mine" "It's mine" "It's mine" over and over again to her. I feel this gave me a tremendous resource and "Aha's". I notice that I lost everything before. My money, my house I mean everything. Now I am trending up again and I tell you right now "it is mine" and I am keeping everything and I will own.


I notice me working in the brokerage firm is a drama. The Firm will end up or position itself to take everything you worked for anyway. When I came home to my apartment, I realized that I don't have anything - so I end up buying some nice furniture to claim as it's mine.

When I got back to work, I noticed a lot of things that I did not noticed before. A co-worker who is pathologically jealous and angry at me doesn't seem to feel that way towards me. I do notice him trying to engage others to feel that way. I also notice some people act in certain ways toward me so that I feel sad and disappointed.


IT guy at my work is a great example, he is very friendly and smiling all year until you ask him to help with some computer trouble, he becomes this total jerk. He even told me do it myself. After a little drama exchange in email, I end up telling him that I am very disappointed with him and told him Good Luck at the end of email. I felt so good after that. I felt like a million bucks.

My sales assistant came back from maternity leave and she looks very happy. She asked me if she should work with me via email and I shut down for few hours and basically told her I would.


Wether this is drama is not known. She portrays herself to be a powerful, dictating, controlling beautiful woman, however I suspect she is not. I know she is more professional than my secondary assistant when it comes down to it. So I feel OK with my decision. She was very happy about it. My true feeling is, I like working with her. I even want her to come with me when I start my hedge fund.

Right now, I don't feel the urge to look for girlfriends and all that. I feel like I just want to enjoy being at home and adjust to taking care of myself first. My urge for alcohol has become less than one. I don't over eat anymore either.  I just eat when I feel necessary. I like a nice meal at a restaurant every now and then. I don't feel scared to receive women's feelings anymore. I notice that I don't throw trash on the street anymore. If I do I pick it up immediately and make sure I throw it in the trash can.

Despite my mother's abuse, I don't feel any bit of hatred toward her. I love her more actually. She was a good mother after all. My father too. They did their best.

During the process manage, I tell Ed "She's got to stop!" and Ed tells me "No you have got to stop!" Yeah the bottom line is you want change in your life you have got to change yourself.

To be honest I felt intensely distant at the check in last IV meeting. I wonder why. Probably because [Name] was not there. I was not feeling like I wanted to write to FAQ because I was feeling isolated but [Name] called me today and he shared some encouraging story about his big wave. I was very happy for him.


He encouraged me to go out to socialize, I had a party to go to but I ended up sleeping. I have just got to find some other way to meet women. I just don't enjoy being around alcohol anymore. I am OK though, I am sure I'll meet the right girl soon. I feel at peace and that's most important to me right now.

It's a long email and I like to end soon. I bought a DVD called Planet Earth produced by BBC. It shows all the cycles on earth. How the animal kingdom works. I guess its part of system dynamics. I used to think I was a lion in a previous life, but I guess humans are a collection of animals. Sometimes like a lion and sometimes like Sonja from this clip.

See Sonja eating worms:

Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Th199ySVdU

Thank you for reading my email. I thank you for everything.

Congratulations on cutting back on alcohol and on becoming more comfortable receiving women.


You may notice various women who like men who are sober and emotionally available circulating in your vicinity.


At some point you may become aware that one of them is special.



Connections Occur


when you allow them.





Clip: http://honeymoonsinc.com/UserDyn/


Saturday, June 13, 2009


Critical Damping


Ed says, "The most efficient design for a tracking servo generally includes some overshoot. For more on this, look up "critical damping."" (FAQ 10/26/08, How Much is Too Much Speculation)

Thank you for your answer to my question. I look up "critical damping" on Wikipedia. It says, "A critically damped system converges to zero
faster than any other, and without oscillating."

So I am not sure if how the most efficient design would generally include some overshoot, when the critically damping converges fastest and without oscillation. Am I misunderstanding you / wiki, or if wiki is incorrect in their definition?

You can experiment with damping with the Tracker Model on the EcoNowMics pages.

Friday, June 12, 2009


Testing Software

Hi Ed,

I have a back-and-forth tug-of-war with myself and with my Tribe mates over my commitment to be what I say I want to be in the future. And over what my exact intentions are.


I feel exasperation because I feel others don't understand me and because now I feel I am "doing it wrong."


I want to go hide and cry and feel sorry for myself. Sometimes, I want to die and it gets scary. I have a lot of emotions and have tried meditation to calm them. I have practiced since college and it has helped a great deal. However, now because of health issues, I cannot practice regularly.


I try to take the hot seat very often to help me deal with my emotions and I try to "feel my feelings" throughout the day, but I find that I quit very easily and jump to another method that might be able to help me.


I flip-flop. I never really flip-flopped with meditation because I really believe in it. I guess as of yet, I really do not believe in TTP. I will keep working on the hot seat to see if I have a major "Aha" that convinces me of TTP's power.

I also want to ask you about simulation software. I have been working very diligently on custom software programmed in C#. Since I am currently unemployed, I have been able to work on my software for about 60 hrs a week for over a month and a half now. I have made great progress and learned a great deal about programming.


However, I am becoming very antsy to start back-testing systems, yet I still have a long way to go in developing the software. I found a post of yours from Feb 2006 where you state that "To simulate interactive portfolios with multiple systems, multiple instruments, multiple entry and exit points - that also respond to upswings and drawdowns in equity, you may have to write your own simulator." It seems to me that you felt at that time that available software was inadequate and I agree with you.


However, there now seems to be available a software that does all of these things and also lets you custom program additional features.


I wanted to ask you if you think there are any benefits beyond those mentioned in the quoted post above to building one's own software.


As of now I am very much itching to buy the software (that is, if the trial version satisfies me) and use my C# programming skills to build supplemental programs, such as a data scanner and control charts. However, I also feel that if I were to start my own fund, potential investors may be less willing to invest if they know I use out-of-the-box software.

I greatly appreciate your input. Thanks so much!

Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings about <wanting to calm your feelings> to Tribe.


Current versions of commercial software can do a pretty good job of back-testing and even live signal generation.


You might encounter some difficulties coordinating "to the penny" with an actual trading account and / or calling your C# library.





The Ultimate Method for Calming Feelings.




Clip: http://www.clipartheaven.com/clipart/


Friday, June 12, 2009


Programming Dynamic Systems

Hi Ed,

I follow the iThink system structure to complete the exercise.

Following my initial confusion I do some reading around negative feedback and I come across the following statements in Study Notes In System Dynamics by M. Goodman:

The concept of control entails goal orientation;

Goal directed action is fundamental to human social behavior.

I find these two statements that give me an important "Aha" and get me thinking about the power of system dynamics and how it can be applied to almost everything.

I am happy to arrange the simulation into an article in HTML for posting to the site or discuss how to proceed from here onwards.

OK. I am open to contributions to the EcoNowMics pages.

Friday, June 12, 2009


Trading Insight

Hi Ed,

I just had an insight I wish to share. Trend Traders are often in winning positions when the positions correct against them. For years I would agonize over these moves against me, knowing my system would not sell as the market fell lower.


Often I was correct on my imaginary counter trend trades during these corrections, so I thought I may as well try it out and save a little money. Often times I would sell a portion of my long as the market fell, and I would be temporarily correct, the market would then decline more. Then it would stop declining and move higher again. In the best case scenario I would identify a point to buy them back and it was usually above where I sold before.


So the trend continues and I end up losing a little money on what was a well timed sale. And since corrections happen more often than trend reversals, I could save a little money on a trend reversal, or put the position back on at a possibly much higher price. The behavior I displayed was a counter productive bad odds play. Yet it often felt good because I got to “call the reversal” if I was right.


I no longer feel this way. In fact I see the positive intention of corrections can be to inform you of how strong the underlying trend is.

Now when I watch my portfolio decline with winning positions, I simply observe. I no longer feel angry or upset, or feel like I need to prevent it. AHA


Friday, June 12, 2009


Brother and Sister / Sending and Receiving




You might like this.

gesto_de_amor1.wmv (Movie)

This video only takes about 15 seconds to watch and you'll see why it won 1st place at Cannes.

It is brief and beautiful.

Thank you for the clip.

Friday, June 12, 2009

Major Breakthroughs

Hi Ed,

Thank you for your ongoing support.

This is quite a lengthy report. I am awe-struck by the power of the TTP-Workshop experience: I can report to you a big breakthrough!

I achieve an important milestone in my life, namely, the confidence part of my Big Wave.

My Big Wave = The confidence to be spontaneous / myself.

During the past month I experience a steady increase in my confidence:

A) I feel less and less anxiety when intending to talk to strangers;

B) Negative reactions from other people have less and less effect on me;

C) I feel steadily less uncomfortable when looking someone in the eye

D) I have an overall feeling of confidence in my body (hard to define).

I notice that all these qualities are hard to measure, so I realize that I might be deluding myself.


On Friday, I go to a live music venue with my girlfriend. I intend to talk to several strangers as part of my big wave, and I actually do so too. Then I see two women at the bar. One of them has a lot of silicon in her body. Not just in her chest, but, from what I gather, also in her buttocks (Yes, this is [city] ).


She has a beautiful face. More importantly, she has an aura of “Don’t you dare approach me!”. I briefly discuss with my girlfriend whether her butt is real or fake. Normally I definitely avoid approaching unsympathetic-looking or intimidating people. But now, I feel my new confidence. I also feel a strange feeling in my knees.


And I am curious whether she has butt-implants or not. So I walk right up to her, look straight into her ice-cold eyes, and ask whether she has any idea how much butt implants cost. She says: “please talk Spanish”, so I repeat the question, part in Spanish, part sign language. When she gets it, she starts to giggle, and consults her friend. Finally she says: “This is all natural”. So I say: “Congratulations, you are very lucky then”. Then I excuse myself and walk off.

The whole interaction takes maybe a minute or so. But it feels like a major victory. This is definitely the most intimidating woman I ever walked up to in my life.

The next three days I have a funny feeling in my head. A sort of tingling on the right hand side, as if a previously inactive part of my brain has been activated. I also feel happy and extremely confident.

June, 1: I go for my weekly run on the beach. During a walking break, I am getting teary-eyed, totally out of the blue. I am touched by the quality of my life. All of a sudden, I accept it the way it is, and I see the quality of it; to live as free as a bird. This is the life that suits me; I just didn't know it yet.

At the end of my run I am thirsty. Normally I just KNOW that I am thirsty without any specific feelings. But now, I actually notice the feeling of thirst. A dry feeling from the back of my mouth all the way down to my stomach. This is a first for me! (side note: I still haven’t experienced the feeling of hunger yet).

Later that day I chat with my girlfriend. She notices how extremely talkative I am. She asks me if I am on drugs!

June, 3: I have a giggle attack. Basically I can’t stop laughing about a silly thought. I laugh for maybe 20 minutes. I can’t remember the last time I did this. Definitely several decades ago! I also feel the feeling of laughter in the part of my stomach where the muscles tense. So THIS is laughter! Funny, I used to laugh with my mouth only. Now, my stomach is joining in.

June, 4: Back in [Country], I notice subtle differences in how I interact with people. It definitely confirms my increased confidence. I notice how extremely shy most people in [Country] are. Although I used to be like that, now I find it silly. I don't feel shy anymore. In fact I now feel like I have something precious and rare in my possession.

June,5: I go out with my girlfriend. When she is away to the bathroom, a woman makes a negative observation about me, saying, “Wow, you sure look moody, don't you have a good time?” This type of negative perception from a stranger used to bother me a lot. But now I think: “Your statement says more about yourself than about me.”

And I really feel that way. It's not a 'learned' feeling, but an automatic one.

I suppose this is TTP at work.

June 7: We go to my cousins for dinner. I notice how many stories I am telling. And I enjoy telling them. There is an enthusiasm I never feel about my own stories.


OK, so it looks like I achieve the confidence part. I intend to consolidate this confidence by continuing to do the things I measure in my original Big Wave.

Thank you all for supporting me! Once again I realize how much I missed support in the past.

But I would also like to ask your ongoing support. I wish to define “spontaneous / myself”, as this is important in order to be able to achieve it, as [name] rightly pointed out to me.

With spontaneous / myself I don’t mean everything I already am, but specifically the missing part. To me, the missing part is my sense of humor and my creativity.

With sense of humor, I mean my own speech which fulfills the following 3 conditions:

1) I say it spontaneously (without previous thought)

2) it surprises me

3) it makes me laugh

I had a period in my life when I was so unconcerned with the next day or even the next minute, and with people’s perception of me, that this sense of humor occurred on a regular basis. However, when I TRY to be funny, it doesn’t work of course. It has to be spontaneous and unintended. And there has to be a complete neglect of the future. No planning, no anticipating, no deep thinking. Totally letting go of the future. Basically living by the senses, living in the NOW, and following the natural attention, instead of forcing it in un-spontaneous directions. I have to get rid of this forced attention, the one they taught us at school, and let attention once again float freely; free like a butterfly.

Another missing part of being spontaneous / myself, is my being creative (creativity = finding uncommon solutions for everyday problems).

This is another part I used to have, and lost along the road. I presume creativity and sense of humor go hand in hand.

So I think my task, in order to achieve spontaneity, is to totally live in the NOW.

In order to live in the now,

A) I need to plan less, and live more “on-the-fly”

B) I need a lot more faith in my spontaneous judgment. For example, when I go to the doctor, the dentist or the accountant, I should go there totally unprepared, without rehearsing what I am going to say.

C) …

In case you have other suggestions on how to achieve spontaneity and totally live in the NOW, I’d be more than happy to hear from you.

Once again, thank you for your support!

Thank you for sharing your process.




Implants are Real Too


(real implants)





Clip: http://playgirlmag.files.wordpress.com/2008/


Friday, June 12, 2009


Strategy and System


By reading your Great encyclopedia site, I notice that you rarely use the word "Strategy." Where people may use the word "Strategy," you use mainly "System" or "Process."

Now I prefer "system" to "strategy" whatever I do. I feel that I am more in the now, whereas I am more in the non-existing future with the word "strategy" or "tactics" (short term of strategy).
The elements of the system exist right now; the elements of strategy seem to be in the non existing future.

According to your meaning, what is the difference between "Strategy" and "System?"

I think of a strategy as a set of rules for converting information into action. In the milk model, a strategy and a policy are similar.


I see your "System" as the overall mechanism that contains your "strategy" plus the rest of the feedback system that surrounds it.  In the milk model, the policy is part of the feedback system.

Thursday, June 11, 2009



Hi Ed,

In our last meeting I play the Hotseat's manipulative mother. I find it easy to make him feel guilty. I notice that I really enjoy pushing
Hotseat's buttons and winning our little "rounds". Momma didn't raise no fool. I feel proud of my skill, even if the skill is manipulation.

I wonder if I can have such great skill without ever using it.

As soon as I think about it, I notice that I'm saying to wife, "Will you hate me if I ..." where I really mean "I want to ..."

I notice that while my parents manipulate me, I have ways of manipulating them as well. I know where their buttons are, and I push them.

I am grateful to the Tribe for helping me act out, and so become aware of, my own manipulative behavior.

Thank you for sharing your process.



Travelling the Path from Control-Centric


to Intimacy-Centric relating


tends to bring out many insights


about manipulation.



Clip: http://www.robertbrownanimation.com


Thursday, June 11, 2009


Want to be Part of the Tribe

Hi Ed,

I live in [City] and I want to be part of a Tribe. As there is none in the vicinity, I am requesting to start a community.

See the link to Tribe Directory, above for information on starting a Tribe, including preparing a TTID.

Thursday, June 11, 2009


Tribe Meeting Report


I report about an interesting tribe meeting. I am visiting the Tribe in [City]. My sister is among the participants. She takes the hot seat and I manage her process. Her issue is “I procrastinate when I have to make a decision”. She starts talking and mentions “changing things shows that something is not OK, and I always have to show that everything is OK with me”.


As she says that, her eyes glance and I start crying bitterly. She is very surprised about my emotional outpour. I mention that PM and hot seat frequently echo each other, and I am just reflecting how she feels, since she does not allow herself to show feelings.


I ask her for willingness to work on the issue. She shows a first form (rubbing her finger). I suggest
her to increase it. However, the process does not progress. I try to find the issue. Is it to change things? To decide? To show that something is not
perfect? After a long trying, we find the issue: “I do things for people to like me / people do not love me for what I am, but for the things that I do”.

She is very distressed, and I ask her if she agrees that I accompany her, being with her in her struggle.


In my view, this is the most intimate form of support: I feel the same that hot seat feels, and I am there holding its hand and walking with hot seat while it carries out the process. I just mention that it is OK to feel that way, that she can feel more of it, and that I am there with her. No drumming, no noise at all. Nobody speaks.

However, as every time that I do it this way, the process is very intense. She completes the form. I feel the release of tension in my own body and, as I ask her how she feels, she reports that the feeling is not there anymore.

We check out. As I check out, I start talking about my experience and I start crying. I cannot hold it, and cry for a long time, until it feels joyful. My sister checks out as last one and reports about her feelings and her surprise about my emotional outpour. I tell her that by working on her issues she is healing me and all people in the room, and I am very thankful for her courage.

I take the hot seat with the feeling “I have several important issues right now, and don't know where to begin”.


I show a form that appeared several times before: rubbing my eyes with my hands. The process manager is inexperienced (as everybody in the Tribe) and does not know how to proceed further.


However, I firmly commit to not control it. I cannot go further, but I want to finish the issue. I think about a Rock process, but that should mean me telling PM what to do and managing my own process. I don't know what to do. I am very surprised as PM suggests a role playing.

I re-enter the process, I show the form and suddenly realize what it means: I am lying on my stomach, covering my eyes in fear, and my father is beating me with his belt. I mention that and ask PM to hit me with his belt. He does it bravely, I really feel the hit, but do not say a word, since I do not want to control the process. After some hits I experience an explosion of anger, stand up and shout (addressing my father) “stop that son of a ***- stop that son of a*** - stop that son of a ***” several times.


And then, I experience an outburst of fun. I start laughing wholeheartedly and fall to the floor. I
cannot stop laughing. I mention “Well, the best answer in such a situation is to release a flatulence”. I think about my tiny butt as a little child and the possible reaction of my father. It is extremely funny and we all laugh.

During the checkout, my sister mentions that as I start shouting “stop that …” she sees several situations of physical and verbal abuse by my father, as if it were in a movie. The verbal abuse was for her much more painful.

By taking her issue to the hot seat, she heals me, and I do the same for her.

Thank you for sharing your process.



Thursday, June 11, 2009

Istanbul - Turkey Tribe Update

Hello Ed,

The TTID registered for Istanbul Tribe is an older one. Could you please change it with the attached one?


Thursday, June 11, 2009


Milk Model Tutorial

Dear Ed,

I do some work on the model and work through my confusion. My confusion comes from the system structure diagram. For some reason I see this as positive feedback all the time and keep asking myself what am I missing as this is not the behavior of positive feedback! I feel a bit embarrassed to ask as I consider that I have a good understanding of the work.

I get fixated that this is positive feedback structure, the flow into the level throws me off. It looks like not only do we get what we want from life we sometimes see what we want as well.

I learn through my confusion and I am back on track.

I intend to send my work through as soon as possible.

Thank you for sharing your process.


I'd like to supplement the models with feedback, such as yours, to add another dimension to the site.

Thursday, June 11, 2009



I just read the new Levitator section. Great job! I laugh a little at the bottom of the page when I read "The End (for now)." Stay after it, Ed. I admire your commitment and perseverance. I find the pictures very helpful and think some video might be beneficial as well.

Thank you for your support.