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(Quotes from Ed in Red)
August 31, 2010
I’ve been studying the Trading System Project for a couple of days, but
I can’t find a mathematical definition of “Skid Fraction”.
Is it given somewhere on the site?
Skid Fraction is the ratio of
(1) the distance from the stop to to the fill to (2) the distance from
the stop to the price extreme.
August 31, 2010
I attend the Austin Trading Tribe. I wanted to work on feelings that
were blocking my progress on my project. I took the hot seat and
recounted an incident with my father.
My mother made
my dad take me bowling. When we got to the bowling alley, I could tell
my father resented having me along. I had never bowled before so I
wasn't very good at it. I bowled terribly and he let me know about it.
He berated me and said he could kick the ball down the lane and do
better than I could. He then humiliated me by actually kicking the ball
down the lane in front of the other bowlers. After that embarrassment,
my resource was to shut down, look at my watch, and asked when we could
leave. Then I role-played with another tribesman acting as my father.
The tribe taught me new resources such as expressing my feelings and
asking my father to tell me his. When my father berated me I expressed
the fact that I was nervous. The tribesman playing my father said, " I
don't want you to be nervous." I stated, " But, that's how I feel." We
agreed it was okay for me to feel my feelings. Then I asked my father
how he felt. He said he was upset because of other things on his mind
and maybe he was angry because my mother made him take me. This
expression of feelings changed the dynamic in the relationship and
allowed for intimacy.
Another occurrence I related was with my mother, she would stand over me
and tell me that I was doing a report for school incorrectly. She would
always sit down next to me or hover over me saying I wasn't going to get
the work done properly and, hopefully, not make any mistakes. My
resource had always been to just shut down and take it. When I role
played with another person in the tribe who played my mother. I tried a
better resource by expressing my feelings. I told my mother I felt
nervous about doing the project and she responded that I shouldn't feel
anything. I responded by asking how can I not feel my emotions. She
couldn't give me an answer so I told that I can't help but feeling the
way I do. So we agreed that I could feel my emotions. I asked her how
she felt and she said that she felt worried and wanted me to make good
grades. This exchange of feelings allowed for intimacy and stopped her
Then another tribe member took the hot seat. He had trouble getting into
the forms and processing his feelings. We took a long time trying to get
him to express his feelings. He related an incident in which he and
someone else were sitting next to each other in church. The pastor came
up to them and asked the person sitting next to him to help with a
project and ignored the tribe member. We did some role playing for him
in which he tried his usual resources of withdrawing and not saying
anything when the preacher asked for help. Then on the next role play he
applied a new resource by stating that he would like to be apart of the
project because he felt left out. When he expressed this feeling, the
pastor gladly allowed him to participate. I used this resource myself at
work because projects were being given out by my supervisor and I wasn't
I told him I felt sad about being left off of projects
so he assigned me one. He said since I never expressed a desire to work
on projects that he thought I wasn't interested. This felt good.
However, this tribesman wasn't able to actually process his emotions to
meet tribe standards in order for him to feel the feelings he doesn't
want to feel. He left the Tribe and I felt sad about that. However, as a
tribe, we must move forward with everyone on the same mission.
Finally, a Tribe member took the hot seat and related an incident during
his childhood when he and another young man would wrestle. This was
illustrated through role-playing with another tribe member posing as his
friend. While the other boy was on top he spit into the tribesman's
mouth. The Tribe used a wet wash cloth to simulate the spit. This act
disgusted and angered the tribe member and he asked the boy why he did
it. He felt betrayed because the boy was his best friend. The young man
said he did it by accident because he had a "talent" for letting spit
drip out of his mouth so far and sucking it back in. However, this time
he couldn't control it.
Next, the tribesman tried using the intimacy
centric model and took responsibility for setting up the entire drama.
They both said they were sorry and remained friends. The Tribe member
related another incident in which he was very young, still in the crib,
and at a pre-verbal age in life. He said he remembered a large breast
being forced into his mouth while he was in the crib. He remembered
almost being suffocated as it was forced on him. Again the tribe helped
the member process this experience through role-playing by forcing the
wet wash cloth into his mouth to simulated the breast. The Tribesman
responded with his usual resources which was to either go limp and let
the event pass or struggle somehow. Then he tried using another resource
by biting down on the nipple of the breast to relate how he felt to the
perpetrator. In both of these instances, I felt that the new resources
allowed for respect and intimacy for everyone involved.
I appreciated the Tribe helping me with my process and I am also
thankful to those who shared their processes as well. From my point of
view, these experiences showed how the intimacy centric model can be
used to stand up for a person's right to express and feel your feelings
while maintain respect for the other person involved as well.
Thank you for your report and
for sharing your process.
Bowling, Like Many Activities
can be an exercise in control
or an opportunity for intimacy.
Experience and Memory
Dear Chief Ed,
Hope all is well with you and the family.
This talk makes me focus on how important it is to stay in the 'now'....
Thank you for the link.
I argue with my wife about home schooling. I want the boys to be home
schooled. I tell my wife why home schooling is better than public
school, which of course leads to arguments and tension between us.
I tell my
6-year-old nothing about my feelings toward school, or how I was scared
and nervous as a little boy going to school as well. I think that a
positive attitude, and having a smile on my face is equal to sharing my
feelings. It takes a trip to the hot seat at the Austin Tribe Meeting on
8/26 to let me know how wrong I am. My hot seat experience goes nothing
like I thought it would.
Ed tells me that I do not send and receive
feelings with my family, and if I continue down the path I am on, I will
lose my wife and my children. He tells me that I am intentionally
driving a wedge between myself, my wife, and my sons.
Through my hot seat experience, I am able to understand that I have
strong judgments against showing feelings of sadness, weakness,
smallness. I come to understand that not only is it OK to feel this way,
and send these feelings, it is necessary to do so. Ed's message is so
simple, but I turn away from it when it suits me. "The feelings you are
not willing to feel are running your life." And it is so clear to me now
that my unwillingness to feel weakness, smallness, sadness were
controlling my day-to-day actions.
Since the hot seat 4 days ago, I am a feelings sending and receiving
machine. I express to my son how I feel about school, how I disliked
going to school. I tell him I feel sad each morning when I watch him
walk into school. I cry outside the school right in front of my
3-year-old, and I don't judge it. I tell the 3-year-old that I want him
to know I am sad and that I miss his brother when he is gone. I express
to my wife, not what I think, but what I feel about public school and
home school. She receives my feelings and I feel close to her. The
3-year-old says he is mad at me, and I ask him if he will tell me more
about feeling mad, and he does. I ask him what else he can tell me about
feeling mad. I tell him I feel sad when he is mad at Daddy. And he asks,
"What else, Daddy?"
I also share feelings with a coworker, my sister-in-law, and the AC
In the last four days, my life feels fuller, with a broader range of
feelings available to me. I feel connected to my wife and my boys.
Thank you Ed
for sticking with me, and thanks to the Tribe for your support.
Thank you for sharing your
feelings and experiences.
Marketing for the Rich
I thought you
would enjoy this marketing lesson:
1. You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and say: I am
very rich. Marry me! - That's Direct Marketing
2. You are at a party with a bunch of friends and see a gorgeous girl.
One of your friends goes up to her and pointing at you says: He's very
rich. Marry him. - That's Advertising
3. You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and get her
telephone number. The next day, you call and say: Hi, I'm very rich.
Marry me. - That's Telemarketing
4. You re at a party and see gorgeous girl. You get up and straighten
your tie, you walk up to her and pour her a drink, you open the door of
the car for her, pick up her bag after she drops it, offer her ride and
then say: By the way, I'm rich. Will you marry me? - That's Public
5. You re at a party and see gorgeous girl. She walks up to you and
says: You are very rich! Can you marry me? - That's Brand Recognition
6. You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and say: I am
very rich. Marry me! She gives you a nice hard slap on your face. -
That's Customer Feedback
7. You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and say: I am
very rich. Marry me! And she introduces you to her husband. - That's
demand and supply gap
8. You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and before you
say anything, another person come and tell her: I'm rich. Will you marry
me? and she goes with him - That's competition eating into your market
9. You see a gorgeous girl at a party. You go up to her and before you
say: I'm rich, Marry me! your wife arrives. - That's restriction for
entering new markets
You might consider sharing
your feelings with the girl, and receiving her feelings for a while.
Wants to Keep Her on Track
Hello Mr. S,
reading/studying the TTP site a lot as of late - and I have a chance
moment to experiment with it. My gal feels she is always working very
hard for little compensation and has done this since being a teenager. I
was receiving her and asked where this all started. When she
was young she is moving hay bales for her father along with some boys
for money. She is being paid less because she is a girl and considered
weaker, yet she is paid by the bale (just as the boys) but for less
As she is expressing this I ask, "Where do you feel this?" She says, "On
my legs. " I say - " Really feel that. How does it FEEL?"
She is becoming angry and says, " They hurt and Itch....I am wearing
shorts and the bales are heavy on my legs and scratching me."
So we are
going back and forth like this for several minutes, at this point her
hands are hurting too. I am trying to keep her on track of just feeling
this and am having difficulty doing so, as she is judging this feeling.
The interesting part however is that her legs visibly become red and
scratched as we are doing this.
I am attempting to keep her focusing on feeling. Unfortunately, An "aha"
moment is not reached, as we fall off track.
Note, she is unfamiliar with TTP process.
I am studying further.
Thank you for sharing your
You might consider that some beginners try to use TTP, like a hammer, to
go around and "bang some sense" into people around them.
TTP, like many things, is more effective as a supportive tool, in a
situation in which the subject is willing to receive "help" in this
TTP is particularly tricky when the process manager and the hotseat have
a relationship outside of Tribe.
In your case, you might consider one way to apply TTP is to gently
listen to your gal's feelings, wherever they go, without trying to
direct her process.
People, Like Trains
are pretty much already on track.
You can go for control -
and try to derail them
or for intimacy -
and share their processes.
August 26, 2010
Therapy, Pharmacology and TTP
Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response to my letter. I
hoped (and it has proven so) that my remarks made for vibrant
discussion. After all, many things that make people feel better
(Catholic confession, psychotherapy, psychopharmacology. etc) have the
capacity to become enshrined as religions. Of note, psychoanalysis
struggled for many decades (and still to some degree) with the looming
shadow of Freud and his Orthodoxy.
Curiously, this phenomenon seems to be particularly poignant to those
who deal with the human drama of psyche and pain. For example, there is
not (that I know of) a cult surrounding the chemical "Orthodoxy" of
Lavoisier or the microbiology of Pasteur.
Nobody yearns to emulate those
who were simply pioneers in a great universe of discovery - the sciences
have all progressed beyond their starting points, and in some ways are
not recognizable from their predecessors standpoints. Could Newton
possibly have envisaged Heisenberg or Einstein? It seems natural
science, as distinct from social science, has the advantage of
observation at its disposal, rather than wrestling with subjective
frustrations as social science must. Pretty quickly in social science a
cult can evolve around a particular viewpoint - like those that follow
me might eventually be Stevenists :-)
In my psychiatric education as part of medicine I was taught that
psychopharmacology is not indicated in most mild to moderate mental
"illness" (depression, anxiety ... etc ontologically dodgy, but medically
helpful categories) and that psychiatric medication has more downsides
than upsides in most cases.
Sadly in [Country], 10% of our public drug
budget is consumed by prescriptions for SSRIs, the vast majority of
which are prescribed by general practitioners (I think you call them
"family doctors" in the US). My direct communications with psychiatrists
lead me to believe that they (at least the ones I talk to at major
teaching hospitals) are taking people off medication twice as often as
they prescribe it.
It seems psychiatric drugs are frequently prescribed for conditions for
which they are not indicated (or tested for) by doctors who receive
inadequate training in prescribing them. Family doctors receive many
psychosocial complaints but haven't the time or resources with which to
manage the abstract problems that patients bring to them. Further, every
GP will remember a patient who requests: "can I just have a bit of...SSRI...to
help me out for a few days?" A request which is frequently acceded to in
full knowledge that anti depressants take about 3 weeks to work at all.
In [Country] throughput is the norm in medicine, and time is extremely
difficult obtain with a non-specialist. Interestingly, I wonder whether
the decline in medicine and the trend toward greater reliance on
"Evidence Based Medicine" has pushed patients' very real, but likely
psychic in origin, complaints (back pain, headaches, muscle aches) into
the "wellness" industry.
In the wellness world, ample time for intimacy,
attention and understanding can be purchased where it might once have
been provided in the doctors office. I suspect also that patients'
expectations of how good they "should" feel is related to their relative
increase in real physical health as a result of medical advances. That
is, patients (especially young ones) are in better physical health than
ever before and will likely remain so if they pay attention to their
lifestyle. Curiously, the mental health of young patients is awful. The
single largest cause of death in [Country] for those 18 to 35 (I think
that age range is right???) is suicide. Whilst the body is healthier,
the mind seems to be getting sicker.
The nexus between psychiatry and drug companies is a worrying one. It is
a regulatory issue that needs addressing. I am fortunate to live in a
country where direct advertising of drugs is illegal but still, many
doctors carry pens that have drug company names on them.
I agree with your views about the school system. Who said that children
should want to sit still and learn the things they are being taught?
Frequently, I suspect, medication is used for the convenience of parents
and teachers. This is a sad, sad result.
Psychoanalysis (my area of "expertise") when practiced as I envisage it,
shares many of the characteristics of TTP. It aims to broaden the
experience of feelings, both those that are subjectively enjoyable AND
Good psychoanalysis should foster intimacy, and
improve work, love and play. Patients should enjoy a reduction in symptomatology and a wonder for the world and truth. However, struggles
with dependency abound. Sometimes patients can move from dependency to
interdependence, and sometimes analysis dialysis is the best result you
can hope for. And yes, some patients get worse.
I look forward to the study from the major university about TTP.
Thank you for sharing your
thoughts and observations.
We are currently examining the short and long term effects of (1)
re-framing feelings from symptoms to actuators and (2) proceeding from
there to implement resources for responding to these feelings with
August 26, 2010
"Your notions that Tribe meetings bring wrath and shame upon the
participants is not consistent with what actually happen in meetings,
except, of course, if we are assisting someone to deal with his issues
of shame and wrath."
The support and encouragement of the Tribe is a means for a person to
gain personal emotional vision and mental clarity. Yet even your great
and wonderful Tribe / TTP programs, groups, FAQ's, speeches and books
cannot heal the brain or endocrine system. Do you believe the Hotseat
can cure diabetes? Not all people with mental health issues that need to
take medication are zombies nor do any I've met prefer to be medicated
to the "zombification" level.
Ed Says: "In TTP we frequently test for willingness, and do not
attempt to process people who prefer zombification".
Maybe you should spend some time examining your own, own attitudes ...
about issues that
get you all riled up. You close off any
possibility of communicating about those subjects with you. Not
Just because a person has to take medication to stay alive - does not
mean they are into or prefer zombification. For instance, all the people
I know with bipolar disorder must stay on their medication in order to
NOT be a zombie or act inappropriately in relationships.
Taking the meds
a person needs to stay alive and functional may be the very vehicle that
allows them to get to your "test for willingness".
You might want to take your rigid absolutist “notions” that lump all
medical / mental illness under your label of “zombification” to the
Tribe / TTP / Hotseat. What are you so afraid of?
Thank you for sharing your
In TTP we conduct frequent Willingness Testing to determine the extent
to which hotseat feels the process is in line with his wishes and
We do not make any claim that TTP is a replacement for essential
psycho-therapy and/or pharma-therapy - any more than I claim it is a
replacement for food and water.
TTP may, however, serve as a way for people who are willing, to
break free of zombie-dependency on drugs for recreation and
August 26, 2010
Fishing and Trend Trading
I am wondering if you enjoy fishing. To me it seems very similar to
trend-trading (which is perhaps the reason I enjoy fishing so very
much). Most of the time I have little success when my bait is in the
water, in fact I often loose my bait trying to catch fish (ie small
losses, cost of fishing).
are times when a fish will bite, I successfully "hook-up" and bring it
to my hand for a win. Most of these fish are small to medium in size,
nothing too large, but at least they cover for all my prior small losses
of bait and opportunity cost of spending copious amounts of time
fishing. But every once in a while, I hook into a monster, and it is
weekend I caught such a fish, a new lake record Brown Trout on [Lake] (see picture attached). Fishing, like trend-trading, requires
you to stay in the "now," have a disciplined approach, go with the flow
yet be patient, and keep putting bait into the water, because you never
know when the next big fish (or trend) will come along. It also helps to
understand that you never want to run out of bait!
Hope all is well with you, perhaps we can go fishing sometime in TX
where I hear the bass can grow quite large!
Thank you for sharing your
Trend Trading is also like playing the banjo. Mostly it's a lot of
fishing around on the neck. And then, nothing compares with the
joy and exhilaration of getting an occasional note right.
August 25, 2010
Hair Today - Going Tomorrow
Per our talk about antidepressants: here is a link to Effexor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venlafaxine and its
adverse effects. I am especially worried about “hair loss”.
We could start gathering information about adverse effects of TTP and
You can use many substances
and methods pro-actively (to improve your circumstances) or medicinally
(to make your feelings go away).
This applies to Effexor and to TTP as well.
August 25, 2010
Wants to Improve
I am sending
you this note because I’m looking to improve my mental approach to
trading and to life more generally. I read your interview and have read
extensively on the psychological aspects of trading and a solid mental
approach with books such as trading to win, I Am, Living in the Now,
etc, but still can’t get over whatever hurdles I need to overcome.
appreciate any guidance and any time you can spare via phone call or I
can come out to visit.
I manage a hedge fund and have been running it for over 10 years. I had
a brutal 2008 which was my first down year since I began trading and
recovered with an excellent 2009.
Any help would
be appreciated and thank you in advance.
You might consider joining a
Tribe and/or reading my book.
I am planning to host a Workshop later this year in the Austin area.
You can also find terms for private consulting on the Ground Rules page.
August 25, 2010
willing to discuss any problems you have had or are having now. One I'm
more interested in now, is do you ever feel you are being monitored for
for someone else's gain or even keeping them employed?
I read in the
local newspaper here that
the police have a right to enter anyone's home at any time for any
reason. That was
read about a year ago , I should have saved it.
I don't have
any personal grudge with any peace officer they are all humans and
subject to the same temptations we are, If you are not at ease don't
print this in FAQ as I'm not totally at ease writing this.
I changed my
email address as you probably noticed to cut emails and privacy issues.
off this subject, have you any pictures of the bear who made national
Have a good
Thank you for sharing your
I sense our society is moving toward increasing monitoring and control
Bubba Wants Off The Grid
For one, he is no longer answering his email.
- Gets Employment Upgrade
Dear Ed and support team,
It has been 4
months since the Reno workshop now. I have terminated my contract with
my previous employer who I felt was abusive and manipulative. I have an
offer from one of the larger hedge funds, where the employment terms and
performance expectations from either parties are crystal clear.
Thanks to TTP,
I learnt that there are indeed pockets in the world where expectations
are clearly spelt out.
Thank you for sharing your
process - and for setting meaningful limits in your life.
I haven't read
FAQ for a while and stumbled on your opinion of zombie-ism. Do you know
anyone who manages his or her psyche problems with exercise where they
were using medications before?
You have guts
to speak out and hope you have some protection. Some others who made it
financially and moved out of the US don't like even talking about it.
thanks for your opinion.
I do not hold a position that
pharmacological therapy is ineffective. Indeed, it may be the only
way to help people in some cases.
I do, however, hold that some people
can and do "occasionally" over-use drugs as an alternative to responding
to their emotions pro-actively.
For that matter, they can also use
behavioral patterns (including fighting, day trading, trying to "quit"
or even attending Tribe meetings) medicinally.
For the occasional person who
demonstrates willingness to get off the "sauce," we are generally
successful in assisting him to drop drugs and alcohol in favor of
intimacy and eating right and exercise.
Intimacy and Eating Right
on Effexor Addiction:
August 21, 2010
for Drugs Inc.
Hi Ed !
I recall a conversation with a psychiatrist a few weeks ago, who
informed that 95% of psychotherapy is now drug-based. Discussion,
talking, understanding, interpreting, are not used. Freud, Jung, Maslow,
forget 'em. Find the symptom and drug it. That's the protocol.
So, I concludes psychotherapy is now a drug cult of huge, well-funded
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
The "War on Drugs" might actually be
little more than a commercial "turf" war.
August 21, 2010
One Bite at
Dear Ed and
The Tribe Member who goes on the hot seat before me does not open up
emotionally and does not get into the process very much. After
considerable testing, we discover he is basically unwilling to commit to
the process and he and the Tribe all acknowledge that. By mutual consent
all around, he leaves the Tribe. This gives me extra motivation to step
up to the plate and to demonstrate my own willingness.
I notice a feeling that keeps coming up whenever I attempt to work on my
Tribe project. It is a kind of blacking-out, nausea, weary feeling in my
chest and throat. I report this to the Tribe and the Tribe encourages me
to get into it. I don't exactly recall all the forms and feelings that
come up next although I do recall two incidents, one involving a
childhood school mate and the other, much earlier, involving an older
female member of my family.
manager advises me to take one. I choose the one with the classmate. We
are on the playground, wrestling and he has me in a "pin" and then while
I am down, he spits on me. I find this utterly surprising and
disgusting. The Tribe organizes for role-playing. One of the larger
members becomes the wrestler and, as I recall, the Tribe arranges for
some water to drip on my face to make things real. At first I find the
whole business disgusting and I become furious and angry and try to
fight. That turns out to be a dead-end.
The Tribe then
helps me to find new resources, such as the standard resources of
sharing my feelings and receiving the feelings of my wrestling partner.
The next time down on the mat, I try these resources and we have a
heart-to-heart talk about the situation. I tell him how disgusting I
find it all and he tells me he is not sure how come he has the urge to
do that. Then I get it - I am the one setting up the whole drama. I am
the one responsible for motivating this situation. I tell him that I am
responsible - and I think he does not quite understand it. Nevertheless,
the insight is for me. I see how I am merely setting him up to re-play
an earlier incident.
The Tribe then mobilizes to deal with the earlier incident. The Tribe
holds me down, as if there is a heavy weight on me. They cover my face
with a pillow to simulate suffocation. They stick the end of a wet towel
in my mouth to simulate the insertion of a nipple. I wriggle, as a small
child might, trying to free myself from the assault and to gain
breathing room. I try to get free, I try playing dead. Nothing works. I
finally settle on going numb and blacking out. These are the same
feelings I recall having at the start of this process. I start to see
their origin. I deal with overwhelming opposition by blacking out. This
is a recurring (and very costly) pattern in my life.
suggests alternative resources, such as sharing feelings and receiving
feelings. I point out that I am likely pre-verbal and lack the
intellectual and motor development to muster delivering feelings in
sentences. Besides, in the situation, I am hardly able to breathe. They
come up with another way. They suggest communicating by biting down hard
on the nipple. We re-engage the role play. Upon insertion of the
suffocating appendage, I clamp down on it with my baby incisors. It
works. I feel the anger flow out of me, into the nipple and into the
consciousness of the perpetrator. The offending appendage hastily
withdraws. I find I do indeed have a way to set boundaries. Game over.
After the process, I feel quite "spacey" and this lasts for a few days.
I have a sense I am re-setting something very deep. In the ensuing days
and weeks, I notice I am much more productive. I make several big
decisions. I re-organize and clean up the mess in my home. I also notice
I am seeing women very differently. I notice I am no longer
automatically "on guard" every time I encounter one.
I also notice
a new and very pleasing activity - I find myself glancing at and
admiring women's breasts in a very different way. I receive an
invitation to the birthday party of a female friend who is an artist. I
don't bring a gift. At the party I tell her my birthday wish for her is
for her to connect with and to have full expression of her art in the
coming year - and I pledge to follow up to encourage her to keep doing
so during the year. She shows appreciation for this "gift" and I feel
like I am finding a whole new way to connect with women. Somehow, in
knowing I can set boundaries, I am able to allow myself to move closer,
and still feel safe.
I wish to thank Ed and my Tribe for the incredibly supportive, innovative and
flexible way of conducting the process and for helping me to gain these
Thank you for sharing your process.
Where There's Willingness
there's a way
to get the point across.
August 19, 2010
Implement the Project Process
We now have 5 regular members of our Tribe and are in summer recess for
the month of August.
the Austin Tribe FAQ reports, I intend to propose that for our autumn
series those willing use the meetings to work on a project of their
choice. Would you please outline how this process is structured ? It
seems to include :
* Describing the project and inter-meeting progress to the group,
receiving simple pass / no-pass responses, similar to the Snapshot
process, perhaps with a Hardball element. If a no-pass is received, does
the tribe member continue until a pass is received or simply take his
"score" forwards to the next meeting ?
* Showing evidence of completion of the project in advance of actual
completion, ie. as part of the project process itself.
* Issues arising during the course of the project providing entry points
for the Hot Seat.
I understand that TTP is in so many ways a constantly unfolding art, but
would be very appreciative for any guidelines you may choose to offer.
Instructions on conducting TTP
processes are likely about as useful as instructions on riding a
TTP seems to transfer best through
To stay up with the latest
developments, you might consider cross-pollinating with the Austin or
other Tribes - and / or signing up for the next Workshop.
August 18, 2010
Shame and Wrath
In response to the "cult" comments in your FAQ, having graduated from
the school of hard knocks, I feel I am qualified to offer some insight.
Both you, Ed and your 'Mr. Cult' have valid points (no surprise). I
agree there are many therapists, psychiatrists, and psychologists that
don't mind being a crutch, keeping their patient /client dependent on
them for rescue; then simply reinforces their neediness.
However, from my own experiences, and what I've learned along the way.
I've had reason to do some research into PTSD, ADD in adults and
children, major depression. I've also researched what neurosurgeons and
neurologists have to say based on their research on the physical impacts
both from, and to the brain with its chemical makeup in the human body.
Fibromyalgia is being diagnosed with thermal images now, where all other
tests failed to show a physical sign of it.
To suggest that a person is bringing to the affliction of major
depression or bipolar disease to themselves, is not helpful or
supportive; rather you cut off communication with people who have some
form of mental illness.
want to beckon your wrath by opening the subject to you. What would be
welcomed is encouragement to become a stronger better person -- after
all, we can't all be Ed Seykota.
From what I've read and heard you remark on you seem to promote shame
about needing whatever help a mental illness requires to be managed
There may be a
chemical imbalance predetermined by their family DNA, that might need
adjusting with medication. They used to think epilepsy was a sign that a
person was evil, crazy, insane, possessed, charmed, or communing with
God -- after centuries of being shamed and killed because of that
affliction, science started to figure it out. Lo and behold, people with
epilepsy needed intervention, counseling and medication - not shame.
Thank you -- I wish you all the best fun.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
In TTP we validate whatever emotion
Hotseat is experiencing in the now. This creates a healing field
of acknowledgment that assists him, if he is willing, to experience his
emotion and gain valuable insights and freedom.
Your notions that Tribe meetings
bring wrath and shame upon the participants is not consistent with what
actions happen in meetings, except, of course, if we are assisting
someone to deal with his issues of shame and wrath.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <shame> and <wrath> to your local Tribe to experience
this for yourself.
Or perhaps, you might find these
notions somewhat threatening and prefer to seek "help" from
psychiatrists who can give you a chemical to help you make your feelings
In TTP we frequently test for
willingness, and do not attempt to process people who prefer
Feelin' no Pain
August 17, 2010
Hi Ed -
I trust you are well.
The Mumbai Tribe continues to meet regularly. Most of us report progress
It's been a little over 4 years since all the Mumbai Tribe members
attend your Workshop. There are 4 members at the time. We are now 6.
None of us attends a Workshop since.
However, I'm once again feeling a desire to attend a Workshop, and to
imbibe some knowledge and gain some wisdom at the hands of my mentor.
I am looking out for your next Workshop announcement, and may sign up
On another note:
occurs to me upon reading an FAQ post of
January 2, 2010.
In it, you say:
If You Have an Annoyance K-not
you may find your self playing for annoyance
instead of for profit.
I conclude that "If I Have a Profit K-not, I may find myself playing for
Hmm ... isn't that a situation some of us might like to be in?
I request your thoughts on my thought.
I am considering hosting a Workshop
in November in Austin, Texas.
Per your thought about a "Profit
K-not:" such a k-not might normally include (1) a feeling of profit and
(2) a judgment that you don't like that feeling.
In our society, we have plenty of
such k-nots. Some sections of our society routinely judge and
invalidate and people who show a profit. Indeed, we formalize
these attitudes in our regulations and tax codes.
When You Invalidate the Profit Makers
the entire economy suffers.
August 17, 2010
Dear Support Team,
I have doubts about my relationship. It is becoming clearer to me that
my girlfriend may not be the ideal mate for me and may not be someone
that I am willing to marry.
I notice that
we have some personality differences that may not be compatible. She
likes to routinely have confrontation, fighting, and drama. She has the
same doubts that I do (about us not being compatible).
Sometimes she says things to try to upset me. When I do not get upset
she tries even harder to get me pissed off. She admits that she is doing
this on purpose.
Within the last month, I tell her about my commitment to identify a
woman that I am willing to marry. Prior to this, we discuss marriage
in general at various times over the past few months and I describe
what I am looking for in a relationship and family, but this is the
first time I explicitly tell her.
I am glad that
I do this, I think it helps to make my intentions clear. I cannot
recall if she says it at this time, but on a few occasions she tells me
that she is ready to marry me and that she has no doubts nor needs more
time to know this. I tell her that I find this to be confusing
considering the things she says to me and how she treats me sometimes.
Thanks for your support.
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider telling her your
feelings about her - and listening to her feelings about you - as well
as sending and receiving thoughts.
Sometimes You Share Your Thoughts
and sometimes you share your feelings.
August 17, 2010
Dear Ed !
Thank you for your response.
You are right, "One thing you can count on - is getting older." Plus,
getting richer on life experience.
FYI- It looks like you get out of Incline Village just before Bubba
breaks in. I hope all is well with you.
700-Pound Black Bear "Bubba" on the Loose
A 700-pound black bear known as Bubba is accused of breaking into at
least 50 homes around Lake Tahoe.
Bears are common in Incline Village.
They sometimes raid trash bins. Occasionally I see one on my lawn,
down by the lake, getting a drink. If I see Bubba, I can tell him
hi for you.
Dear Ed Seykota,
I had read about your amazing investment return in Market Wizards! May I
know what computer program or software you use to BACK TEST your trading
methodology? I am in the process of finding one to backtest mine.
Thanks in advance for any help.
I use my own proprietary software.
You might consider running some
preliminary tests with Excel, to get a feel for the features you might
like. See the link to TAS, above.
Wants a Workshop
When and where is the next workshop.
I am thinking, maybe, November in
Join a Tribe
Read about you in Covel's books and really enjoyed going through your
website. I live in Los Angeles, how do I join your tribe down here. Are
I look forward to hearing back from you.
You can check the Tribe directory,
above, and / or start your own Tribe.
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