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Sunday, February 20, 2011

From Poop to Pop

Dear Ed,

I gain a deeper sense of the intimacy-centric relationship model at our meeting. Ed, when you guide the tribe through the Thanksgiving-dinner hotseat, I have many AHA’s. I realize now that, in many instances, I am still in the control-centric relationship model instead of feeling intimacy. The Tribe member on the hotseat has an AHA regarding his “blind spot.” His noticing his “blind spot,” helps me notice mine.

I meet with my son, and, for the first time, I tell him that I really want to know what his motivation is for pooping his pants and finding new and create ways to spread poop throughout the house. I ask him this with complete sincerity and compassion. I tell him I really want to know. We are looking into each other's eyes when we talk. His answer stuns me. He says, “I just want to spend more time with you.”

We make an agreement to spend more time together—more intimate time together. I ask him if he would like to spend an entire day together. I ask him if he would consider making a plan for the day and then we only do what he wants to do when he wants to do it, and we can call it his day. He calls it “Me Day.” He says he loves the idea, and he begins planning the “Me Day”—the entire day—from getting up to going to sleep.

Me Day comes and we stick to his plan, and have an absolutely great day. We agree to have “Me Day” once a month. He is already planning the next one.

I notice three things:

1. increased intimacy with my son

2. increased intimacy with my wife—I didn’t see that coming

3. no more poop

I am thankful for you, Ed. I am thankful for my dear friend who brings Thanksgiving dinner to the hotseat, and I am thankful for the Tribe’s support.

With feeling,
Thank you for sharing your process.
Sunday, February 20, 2011

Austin Tribe Meeting Report -
Judgment and Right Livelihood

Dear Ed,

I get many things from the last meeting. I learn more about the intimacy centric model and particularly, I learn more about myself. I leave the meeting confused.

During the meeting, I attempt to take to the hot seat my issue of “not liking my current job”. I explain that my current job is boring and not challenging. After I talk for a few minutes trying to dramatize my issue, you ask me a simple question: What do you really want to do?

I still cannot answer this question. You say during the meeting that I am living a drama. I agree. I appreciate your honesty and wisdom. When we know what we really want, we have no space for drama. If we do not know what we want, we leave plenty of space for drama. Drama takes the space and keeps us very busy. Now I see all this more clearly.

However, during the meeting I just cannot see it. I recall how all the tribe, except me, quickly notices my drama.

 This is my personal proof that we need other people to really grow. I also notice that as I am focusing on what I do not like, I am getting more of what I do not like. My task now is to find out what I really want to do.

During the meeting, a tribe member makes a presentation about TTP and the Catholic Church. I attend a Catholic school and I have some rejection feelings about the religion. At first, I find difficult to pay attention to the presentation. I have some strong “judgments” about how the Catholic Church “judge” feelings. I wonder how I can judge they judge if I am doing the same.

When I stop my personal “judgments”, I start to notice some interesting points. My fellow tribe member does a great job with the examples. I realize that sometimes the teachings we learn might include issues of the people who teach them. If we want to find the real teachings, we might need to do some extra work (like my fellow tribe member).

Finally, a tribe member takes the hot seat. He wants to apply the intimacy model with a person he does not like. I learn a lot from this hot seat. I also notice the same pattern as other hot seats. The whole dynamics of the situation changes when we apply the intimacy model. I also learn that we can make rapport with people we do not like.

Last week, I have the opportunity to apply this with a new coworker. When I first meet this person, I just do not like him. Another coworker feels the same. She takes a radical approach and moves to another desk to be far from this person. I decide to make rapport with this new coworker. I notice that he is ok. I work right next to him without problems. We actually learn some stuff from each other.
Again, I feel lucky to be part of this tribe.
Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings about <finding right livelihood> to Tribe.

In the meanwhile, you might consider finding a way to serve others, in a way that they like.  One way to start is to serve someone who is already doing this.
Sunday, February 20, 2011

Macclesfield, United Kingdom Tribe

Dear Mr. Seykota,

Please accept this application for a new trading tribe in Macclesfield , United Kingdom . A TTID is enclosed. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your book which I recently purchased and read. It has given me hope that I can learn to work with my feelings to live a better and more quality life.

I struggle with keeping discipline in my trading and as a consequence my trading results are poor. My biggest problem is not following my system due to poor focus and the twin fear and doubt problem. Many times I watch profitable opportunities go by while I doing nothing because I experience doubt and fear in initiating a trade. One of my objectives is to learn the TTP process so that I can also help other people who struggle with the problem.

As a new Trading Tribe chief, my priorities include attending the next TTP Workshop and visiting other Tribes as a pollinator. I have written to the TT chiefs of the other TTs in UK but I have not secured an invitation to visit yet. I am still hopeful that this will happen although it is nearly a month since I wrote.

Please, would you advise when your next TTP Workshop will be take place. I plan to attend.

Best wishes,
Macclesfield, UK.

Thank you for starting a Tribe.

You can watch FAQ for information on upcoming Workshops.
Sunday, February 20, 2011

Trading Methodology

Hello Ed,

many people have problem with their psychology and discipline. I trade (or try to trade) for nearly 9 years now. I think I don't have so big problem with the discipline.

My problem is, I never find a trading method which give me a better profit factor than 1.30! Ok, I find a trend following strategy, which was very good on the E-mini, Crude Oil and EUR/USD ( all 3 has a better profit factor than 1.50). But it was bad on GBL (Germand bonds it has a profit faktor of 0.7!!!), GBP/USD (profit faktor of 0.85) and also bad on stocks too!

I trade for all most 9 years now. I back tested nearly hundred method. But no one was acceptable! Of course some of them was profitable, but they were not robust enough. I think a good trading method should work on almost every market and almost in every timeframes. Am I wrong?

So could you give me advise please, how I could find a "really" profitable and robust trading method? I think many other people has the same problem.

Thank you very much! Sorry for my bad English, I am [Nationality].

Best regards
Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings about <wanting to be perfect> to Tribe.
Sunday, February 20, 2011

Go With the Flow - and Then You Know

Dear Ed,

my ex-wife has birthday. I want to make her a nice gift, but it is, as every year, very difficult: she does not like jewels, perfume, chocolates, or even shoes. She is very savvy and does not like expensive things.

The best gift I ever made her was... a wheelbarrow to work in the garden. I walk around in the shopping mall for over one hour looking for ideas and start to get very uneasy. I have no clue and find nothing suitable.

At once, I realize that I don´t like the way I feel (struggle) and just let the feeling flow. I laugh. Then, suddenly I KNOW where to go, I KNOW where the gift is. I take a turn left and walk in the direction. I see nothing, but I KNOW that it is there. At once I stay in front see a cardigan jacket. I KNOW that this is it. I buy it. She likes it a lot!

It seems to me that we (me, you, everybody) KNOW everything. As soon as we accept our feelings and stop projecting them into the world, magic happens.

I just wanted to share this story with you.

Best regards,
Thank you for sharing your process.
Saturday, February 19, 2011

Boundary Management


Complexity is best managed via an iterative, empirical process that includes frequent inspection and a willingness to experiment with periodic adjustment and adaptation.

Iteration is a form of boundary management, where the boundary is based on 'time'.

Complexity is best managed via deliberate management of boundaries.

The 10 Commandments appear consistent with excellent boundary management, especially #1.

Effective trading systems define clear boundaries for acceptable risk, and prescriptive rules for entry, exit and the like.

The Greek word hamartia (ἁμαρτία) is usually translated as the English word 'sin' in the New Testament. In Classical Greek, 'hamartia' means "to miss the mark" or target.

I wonder if, when a trader defines a system and does not follow it, if that trader is missing the mark.

Jesus Christ states in Matthew 22:35-40 what Christian Law is.

* 35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
* 36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
* 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
* 38 This is the first and great commandment.
* 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
* 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

I wonder if the commandment is consistent with effectively managing the complexity of living, via good boundary management, especially if life is just a borderline: see , referring to a borderline (a boundary component)

And one more question if you’ll hear it:
Are we flesh or are we spirit?
Does God exist and script the play
Or are we, rather, chunks of clay?
Lovers know as they entwine.
Life is just a borderline.
You might consider taking your feelings about <how you set your borderline with various governments> to Tribe.

You might also consider reviewing your feelings about <knowing what is best>.
Saturday, February 19, 2011




The following text, found on the above page, contains a spelling error.

hamper conscious intergation of insights.
Thank you for the catch.

While visiting the page, I also notice "political, adminstrative and legal."

Both now stand correctly.
Saturday, February 19, 2011

Pendulum Model


I detail the pendulum equations and apparent delay.


I believe this formula set represents the equations utilized in the current Swing Model, which is generating expanding oscillations.

P(t) = P(t-1) + V(t-1)*dt (1.1)

V(t) = V(t-1) + A(t-1)*dt (1.2)

A(t) = G*SIN[P(t)/L] (1.3)

Substitute 1.3 into 1.2.

V(t) = V(t-1) + G*SIN[P(t-1)/L]*dt (1.4)

Substitute 1.4 into 1.1.

P(t) = P(t-1) + [V(t-2) + G*SIN[P(t-2)/L]*dt]*dt (1.5)

If my work is correct, the current position, P(t), is being calculated using information two time periods back. You may wish to consider the impact of the delay created by utilizing values related to time period (t-2).
You might consider studying a text book on system dynamics. 

Numerical solutions follow Euler's method of recursive solution of a set of integral equations.

In this method, we have no formulations that include terms from "two intervals back" as they are not available in the moment of now.

Saturday, February 19, 2011

Trend Riding


I am new to trading (Nov. '10) and am following a very simple trend following system.

Buying on a 20 or 55 day breakout in either direction.

However putting the trade on is not the problem

Riding the trend is the problem. The stop loss is always in place. However I am taking the profits when they appear and then buying back into the trend at a higher price. This strikes me as a very simple beginner's mistake.

How or where does the courage from to trust yourself that you are right?

I can't trust myself to believe the system works and that I am right.

When I look at my feelings and put myself in the 'Hot seat' The feelings come from my childhood. My parents and sister were and still are very protective of me.

However these feelings of my parents to me I find of concern.

My parents love me but have always been over protective. Saying things like 'Are you sure you know what you are doing?', 'This will be for the best'. It is a if they do not seem to believe I can do things for myself.

Hence the problem with the trading.

I have a great home life, a loving and supportive wife, house, 2 dogs, friends, no mortgage or debts. My stocks and shares portfolio is doing very well.

This month from trading I am up 10%.

I just know I could do better.

How does one improve and learn to trust oneself? Does it come from experience? I am now 47.

Does the belief come after time.

The market is a hard mistress to learn such lessons.

Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings about <sticking with the system> to Tribe>.
Friday, February 18, 2011

Austin Trading Tribe - Report # 3
Poop - Religion - Rapport - Elevators - Spreading

Dear Ed,

I arrive in Austin for the fourth time, if I count the visit for TTP workshop in December of 2010. I have come to fall in love with TTP Thursdays at Ed’s house.

The flight is not terribly long and I get to read, think about the Tribe work, and my plans. I get to see a wonderful group of people from whom I learn a great deal every time I am around them. I hope this is true the other way around and that I provide assistance which is of value to them as well.

The meeting begins with a discussion about potty training. There are several of us in the Tribe who are fathers to young children. It seems to me that we all strive to be the best dad we can possibly be. We seem to wish to provide the best guidance to our children full of joy, love and learning.

One member describes the current drama with his son who takes his own solid waste (poop) and rubs it on the walls and furniture. The member describes how he decides to take his son just the way he is. He asks his wife for permission to try a little experiment of intimacy centric model.

Instead of arguing, explaining, or scolding his son he is just going to thank him for what he did and celebrate him just the way he is. So there he goes describing day after day the situation where his son is putting and spreading his poop everywhere around the house. The member stays strong not to clean anything and each time his son informs him about an additional mess, he thanks him and accepts him.

As I listen to this story I am thinking “Man this guy’s got some balls and conviction to do this. Day after day, shit everywhere…it has to stink. And what about his wife, she must really believe in him.”

After several days his son figures out that his dad truly accepts his behavior and decides it is time to clean up. He describes in about five steps of how to clean poop to his dad and spends 3-4 hours cleaning.

As the member gets to talk about this, he becomes very emotional. He says that while going through the experience he realizes that people “shit on him” all the time. He doesn’t go into great detail about it but I imagine he often takes “heat” from employers, business partners or something like that – I can see the pain in his eyes.

I am teary eyed as I listen to this. I feel a lot of compassion for him and I admire his strength and conviction to go through this.

After his son cleans everything up, the tribe member tells us that after months of being without work he gets a phone call to come for an interview.

I myself go through potty training issues with my son to be five year old who wets his bed 2-5 times a week. After he does, he wakes up and comes to sleep in our (mine and my wife) bed in the middle of the night.

After I return from Austin it is 6 nights in a row that he stays dry and sleeps in his own bed. We never speak of it, it just changed. I do not even attempt to understand this.

Maybe some strange forces are in play and when the tribe member tackled his potty training issue effectively it helped mine too. Maybe my son was just ready.

One member arrives late for the Tribe meeting. He asks Ed for permission as it is the day of his son’s first confession. He is Catholic, a deeply religious man. He and Ed have an open discussion about the compatibility of Catholic teachings and TTP.

Ed questions differences in the views Catholic teachings and TTP hold on the feelings of lust and anger. The member makes a presentation with compelling evidence of various Catholic scholars stating that feelings of lust and anger are natural parts of our emotional make-up.

They also point out that holding these feelings inside or entertaining drama, in other words, acting out these feelings may lead to “bad” actions. Few of the members who attended catholic school at a young age are unimpressed. In their view, Catholic teachings are a way of controlling people and invalidating. I like the presentation, especially the very kind, unforceful delivery and factual, informative material supported by quotes from important Catholic scholars.

After a short break, we follow with the hot seat part of the evening. The tribe member who takes the hot seat describes a situation with his father- in-law at thanksgiving dinner. His daughter hits his mother-in-law who then comes and tells it to his wife while his father in-law overhears. As he goes to get up from the dinner table, his father-in-law tries to stop him loudly with gestures indicating he knows the best, as if he is the one in charge.

This makes the tribe member angry and he lets his father-in-law know: “I got this, and let’s make it clear, I am the parent here!” while pointing his finger at him. Situation then gets out of hands. The tribe member is puzzled about how to apply the intimacy centric model on someone who we do not like. He also says that he would like to have non-confrontational relationship with his brother-in-law, but doesn’t really want to be friends with him, hang out or any of that kind of stuff.

We do a lot of role play. It is an amazing learning experience about dynamics between people, what non-effective and effective sending and receiving of feelings can do.

One of the strongest messages I get from the exercise is that there is no way of applying intimacy centric model if we do not care about the person with whom we share feelings.

If we do not care about the other person, establishing rapport is very difficult if not outright impossible. The intimacy works only if we truly tell people how we feel without blaming them for it and if we truly care for how they feel. The tribe member who is on a hot seat is a very bright guy with amazing trading abilities. During the process I observe him just being stunned by the gap between how he deals with the situation and how the situation works when intimacy centric model is applied. I feel that the whole group gets a lot from the process.

Part of the process I like the most is when Ed role plays the hot seat. Ed’s ability to access feelings of compassion, sending and receiving feelings and thus by “not controlling” effectively control the group dynamics is just breathtaking.

I notice Ed’s passion about the process and that he truly cares about us. Once again his intention to assist us to be free of control centric model is apparent to me.

The last stage of the meeting is the “elevator pitch”. We all get up and have two minutes to inform the group of our project and the progress we have made over the past two weeks. The members then, one by one, give the presenter a “Pass” or “No Pass”.

I get a Pass from all members. I am pleasantly surprised as I usually do not think much about what I do. I always think that I can do better or more. I feel that this exercise keeps me accountable, builds my confidence in what I do, helps me clarify my goals and process towards them. Practically being a one man shop, it helps me maintain a higher level of motivation to accomplish things on the way towards my goal.

Later that night after the meeting, we sit around the table and talk about all kinds of stuff. Ed tells a story about a broker who never takes his time to do things right and makes a big trading mistake while on the phone with a girlfriend. After he finishes the story there is silence around the table and the memory of my biggest mistake pops into my head. I am rolling over 3 contracts of Crude oil a few months ago and instead of 3, I roll 63 contracts. By the time I am done I lose about a quarter of a percent of my equity or the sum of which used to be my monthly salary before I became trader.

Ed asks me about my rolling procedure. After I tell him what I do, he suggests a more effective way to do it. After he is done he tells me that I might want to be careful as I can still mess this one up to.

I laugh and tell him that I probably will too. Ed is not laughing. He just stares at me. I am like “Shit! He is right; I need to be serious here. Fun is fun, but what kind of attitude is this?” Ed is still staring at me and I am getting the message. “Do I want to be a serious trader and provide professional service or am I just fooling around?”

I really do not know what Ed was thinking at that moment, perhaps he was just sleepy and didn’t feel like laughing, but I certainly got my lesson from it.

This week I was rolling over several contracts. I made sure I learned and understood the rolling strategy Ed suggested and was very careful to execute it without any unnecessary mistakes. Thank you, Ed.

Thank you for sharing your experience of the Tribe meeting.
Friday, February 18, 2011

Inflation Solution

Dear Mr. Seykota,

Thank you very much for your answer.

Especially your comment below is very suggestive (affectionate ^0^);

Say you feel that the US economy is vulnerable to a general advance in commodity prices. Then you might apply a trend-following system, from the long side only.

Now Asia trading markets(except Japan) are worrying that the bear may wake up out of a two-years sleep.

Inflation is being at issue. The vulnerability will be tested for some time.

The poor would be much harder to earn their bread.
I think it is unavoidable from the historical point of view.

Do you have any solution?


With Kind Regards,
The economy is now, and always, generating its own on-going "solution."  This solution appears to include an advance in prices.

My own personal solution is to align my friends, associates and myself with the trends.
Thursday, February 17, 2011

Applying the Intimacy-Centric Model

Dear Ed and Austin Tribe,

I do a hot seat. My issue is applying the intimacy model in a situation with a person with whom circumstance necessitates a relationship yet I do not desire closeness with or even really enjoy.

We setup a role play. From this process I get several insights. One, I have an enormous blind spot for applying the intimacy model in situations where I have degree of disdain for a person. What I see is that my current resource is a control model ‘scorched earth’ approach. I notice feeling sadness once I see this is my resource. When I describe the background of the situation the tribe has many laughs, though I’m not trying to be funny. This is important feedback. Perhaps it’s commentary on the magnitude of the blind spot. Perhaps it’s a result of just non-judgmental, joyful acceptance.

One of several amazing things that occur in the process is in the role play, after having it modeled for me, when I attempt to apply the resources of the intimacy model I’m so far off the mark, so entrenched in controlling the situation, the tribe questions whether I want to do this or not. In that same moment if I was asked to evaluate myself at how I am doing applying the intimacy model I would say, “pretty good.” Talk about a blind spot…geez.

With the patience of Ed and the tribe we keep going over it and I start to catch a glimpse. The rapport building is big. I notice resistance to building rapport because making the effort feels like ‘letting them win’…clearly a dynamic of the control model where it’s winners and losers rather than relating and discovering. I then notice my eyes water a little and I see a world of BIG FEELINGS. I share this with the tribe.

Ed says, “Yes, big feelings and it’s totally out of control.” My willingness to feel, to share, to enjoy these big feelings, big waves, things bigger than me… I don’t know where they go or when they end…I don’t’ really know anything but I feel them.

A day after the meeting the plan is I will be spending a few days with the person about whom my hot seat involves. I ask for additional support from the tribe after the meeting; if I may call for guidance and insight while ‘out in the field.’ I get lots of support.

My view of the power of the intention of the group is deepening. I recall my mindset earlier being that the group is here to hold me accountable but it’s still all up to me. Now I feel myself succumbing the power and intention of the group and going with it. I notice the same power of intention in the intimacy model and rapport building. The exact same words said with different intentions yield different results. In my earlier attempts in the role play I was using words but without the intention of building a rapport.

The next several days that I spend with this person go well. There’s no drama. I do somewhat successfully build rapport. It’s not as hard as I thought, though I haven’t been heavily challenged yet. One perspective I find helpful is to be a witness to my feelings, an observer. This helps me stay conscious and see more clearly. I also come to recognize that embracing the intimacy model does not necessarily mean being buddy-buddy. It’s possible to set boundaries in the intimacy model. This is an Aha! for me. I feel very happy to be moving deeper into letting the control model go.

I want to thank the tribe and Ed for helping me experience this new dimension of the intimacy model.

Thank you for sharing your process and your insights.
Thursday, February 17, 2011



Ed says, "The notion of 'the purpose' follows from the control-centric model, in which people define one 'correct' purpose and then impose it on others."

Hmmm, that's an interesting remark, thanks Ed. Is there an equivalent for "purpose" that is not control-centric then? Maybe intention? What do you think most students intend to get from education? What do you think most educators intend for the education system to accomplish?

Or perhaps, what is the objective function? If we model the education system, what is the stock that we are trying to maximize (or minimize)?

(As students) Is it grades? Is it knowledge? Is it something else? (As educators) Is it the grades for students in a standardized test? Is it knowledge? Is it something else?

You might consider taking your feelings about <asking a lot of questions as way to avoid intimacy> to Tribe.
Thursday, February 17, 2011

Trend System


Thanks for your reply on FAQ. Your insights on FAQ are always respectable and a fantastic read. When I want to get out of my space and think of other traders "spaces".

What is your review on this simple method (below). A pure KISS: Keeping It Systematically Set-up....method.

Spot FX system:



15-minute chart (determine entry and stop loss)
1, 4 hour and daily charts for support and resistance and/or to take profit

A trend is the 20, 50 and 100 SMA ; moving upper left to lower right (short) or lower left to upper right (long) on the 15-min chart.

Entry 1: on the 20 moving average long or short, stop is an open and close above (or below) the 50 moving average on the 15-minute chart respectively.

Entry 2: The same applies for the 50 and 100 as an entry and the stop out.
If you would like to present a system, you might consider demonstrating:

1. The complete set of signals that you get from your computer program.

2. A set of brokerage statements showing the same trades.
 Thursday, February 17, 2011

System Definition

Hello Ed,

I have been working in all the comments you made about my system. I notice how I got sad at being criticized although after checking the code I realized you were right about it, I didn't even know what my system was doing in certain cases, I got a much needed humble pie.
Thank you for sharing your process.

Your real trading system includes (1) some math and (2) mostly how you employ the math.
Thursday, February 17, 2011



This famous quote sums up Intentions = Results pretty well:

“If you don’t know where you’re going
any road will take you there.”
~ Lewis Caroll's

Here is another good one;

"I can't go back to yesterday -
because I was a different person then"
~ Lewis Caroll

Lewis would have fit right in with the Trading Tribe.
Lewis Carroll's poem, The Jabberwocky, from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872, curiously translates to several languages.

by Lewis Carroll

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:40 AM


Dear Ed,

I wonder if you ever drink any alcohol. Or maybe when a person is aligned with his / her feelings the interest in drinks of any kind disappears completely.

As for me I can go without this 'medication' for weeks and months, but once start my intention seems to be a "knockout".

I wonder what feelings are consistent with this kind of behavior. Some rare exceptions from this start to appear which may point to a change in the trend.

The AA "solution" is to declare oneself an alcoholic and stop drinking altogether. I don't feel that changes anything - when you put a muzzle on an aggressive dog, that does not make it less aggressive. The feelings are still there.

Thank you for posts and your blog - it is a fantastic food for thought. Also I find myself switching from Elliott, Fibonacci, geometry and other methods to a simple trend following system (simple does not automatically make it easy). You are right - 'the most wonderful thing about trading a system is that you stop to wonder'.

Best regards from frozen [City, Country].
Alcohol may become part of a complex system of medicating deeper feelings. 

Alcohol can further complicate the system since the subject loses the ability to think clearly and also loses the willingness to change his behavior. He may also alienate his real support team and wind up with a few "enablers" instead.

Effective therapies generally start with a period of abstention.

TTP (and other therapies) are largely ineffective in cases where the alcoholic is not willing to stop drinking.

TTP can be effective in assisting co-dependents to stop enabling the alcoholic and to move on to other, more intimate, forms of relationship.

One study shows the "cure rate" for AA is approximately 3% - or roughly the same as get better, spontaneously, without being in a program.


In the later stages,
the willingness to stop drinking
and to start feeling

may arise spontaneously,
as a matter of grace

or not at all. 

 Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Connecting with Sister


Since the last tribe meeting I have been thinking about the intimacy model and how it is used every day. Then today I had a great talk with my sister.

Her and I visited about several things including my trips to Austin. I was finally able to practice and engage in the intimacy model at some length.

We talked about how most of our work at the tribe meeting is not on trading but the intimacy model. She did a great job of just listening to me speak about what happens in a tribe meeting. Because of this I told her an issue of rejection that is coming up in my life. She asked me to tell her why I feel that way at times. I had little trouble telling her my feelings and experiences that I believe helped set up this drama because of how we had been interacting intimately. My sister then told me how she felt about me and how much she loves me. It felt great to connect with my sister at such a deep level.

Later in the conversation my sister tells me that she has had a biopsy on her thyroid and is scheduled to see the doctor on Friday. She showed no fear or worry in discussing the issue. I just thanked her and listened. She then began to express her frustration with our mother who immediately upon finding out started to tell my sister what she should be doing and not doing. My sister expressed her feelings of being disrespected and controlled by our mother because my sister is in the medical field. I continued to receive my sister’s feelings. When she was done expressing her frustration I asked her if she would like to understand how to express her feelings to our mother and get mom into a supportive role instead of a control role? My sister said yes, so I said “ you might want to consider” telling mom your feelings. Tell her you’re scared. Tell her you love her. Tell her you want to make the right decision. Say to her, ” mom, I’m feeling frustrated. I just really need your support and love right now.” We went back and forth in discussing this. I then told her to not forget to ask mom how she was feeling right then.

In our long discussion it was so much easier to explain the intimacy model to my sister that it is for me to consistently live inside the intimacy model. Also, in this conversation my sister discusses with me issues her son has because of the divorce of his parents. My nephew tells my sister that he has a lot of anger because of the divorce. I asked her what did she say to her son? She constantly apologizes. Her and I then role-play a conversation with her son. I use the intimacy model by always asking him his feelings and thanking him for telling me. My sister struggles with what to say to him throughout our discussion. I stated to her that all you can do is tell him how you’re feeling right now – not how you felt during the divorce but how you feel right now.

I could go on and on about my sisters intimate conversation with me tonight. Let me leave it at this, it felt unbelievably great to connect intimately with my sister.
Thank you for sharing your process and your insights.

Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Intentions = Results


Reading [the draft of] your book and the conversation we had shortly after reading your book has got me thinking.

I have one question, was it intentional that regulators in the power industry took between 5-10 yrs. to issue permits to replace and expand power capacity?

I believe it was intentional, I am hoping I am wrong. Please let me know if my question needs to have more detail.

From Intentions = Results, we have:

1. That is their intention.
2. That is your intention, and mine.
3. That is everyone's intention.
Tuesday, February 15, 2011


Hi Ed,

What do you think is the purpose of education?

A "purpose" is a use to which you put something.

The notion of "the purpose" follows from the control-centric model, in which people define one "correct" purpose and then impose it on others.

You might consider taking your feelings about <what you think others should do> to Tribe.
Tuesday, February 15, 2011

The Silent Treatment


This tribe meeting I had several revelations. I dealt with my feelings of rejection, which I noticed a lot of others had similar feelings on the subject.

The intimacy model was a real eye opener and easy to use. I have successfully implemented it, while still need guidance on certain situations.

One issue I would like to work on, is the silent treatment. This has been a problem for me in the past, as I went years getting the silent treatment from my step mother, the longer we maintained silence the more tension built up between us.

Eventually the tension caused an event from running over my bike, to some really horrible acts. Back to the present I find myself in a familiar situation, but not as dangerous. I find myself totally "stoned" totally unsure how to defuse the situation. I would like to do some role playing next tribe, on how to apply the intimacy model to the silent treatment.

I left the meeting feeling inspired and motivated after hearing the success stories of my fellow tribe members and the progress we are all making to our goals.

Each day I get closer and closer to my goal, I feel the goal as a living organism that is growing and growing each day. I feel connected to my family, and piece with myself. Thank you Ed and the rest of the Tribe for your support and encouragement.
Thank you for sharing your process.

The Silent Treatment

may be a way to withdraw
from someone who is unwilling
to establish and maintain rapport.

To break the deadlock,
you might try caring
about how your partner feels.

Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Wants a Mentor

Hello Mr. Seykota,

I am currently a college student extremely interested in trading. Through reading numerous books on the subject, such as Market Wizards, it seems that many traders had been strongly influenced by a mentor in their lives and many have come to you for guidance.

I have recently discovered your website, Trading Tribe, and I want to take this opportunity to ask you whether you had any suggestions for someone like me to develop my interest in trading, or pointers on what to follow in a world filled with an overwhelming amount of information regarding this subject matter.

From what I currently know, there seems to be a strong emphasis that trading is more about personality than method. However, while it makes sense to me, I do not know how to apply that knowledge in my actions.

I hope to dedicate this summer to developing my trading skills on a full-time basis, ideally under the guidance of a mentor, and I was wondering if you have any advice on how I can go about achieving this goal.

Thank you very much for your support,
You might consider following the Resources link above to information on ordering my book and/or enrolling in a Workshop.

You can also read through FAQ and / or attend Tribe Meetings for free.
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:01 AM

A Why Question

Dear Mr. Seykota,

I am very happy to write a letter to you again.

I always deeply appreciate your teachings.

I found something interesting in your FAQ index.

According to your rules, you do not answer 'why' questions.
But surprisingly you gave an answer to a 'why' question,

"Why does it hurt to love?".

I think it is very fundamental, very sincere, very difficult and very painful question.

So I can understand you. Such a question deserves it, whereas the most of why-questions may contain the laziness of the questioners in themselves, I think.

I have one question.

How do you think about the trading (investment) ways such as Peter Lynch's, John Templeton's, Ralph Wanger's, even Benjamin Graham's.

(Graham criticized momentum traders.)

If someone copy after trend-following way, and at the same time follow one of their ways (he might have two accounts for trading), could it be a right attitude, even though profitable?

I think they take advantage of the gap between the normal and the abnormal, the prudence and the mindlessness, the tolerance and the nervousness, just as the arbitragers do,
The judgment of such a gap might be rough mathematical or logical knowledge, even though without being numerical formula.

Thank you so much.
All profitable traders trade trends.

Without a trend, you have no profit.

Some fundamentalists look for trends in their statistics. Others notice the tensions in a system and guess which trends are likely to resolve the tensions.

You might combine these methods with trend following.

Say you feel that the US economy is vulnerable to a general advance in commodity prices.  Then you might apply a trend-following system, from the long side only.

Monday, February 14, 2011

Valentine Math

Hi Ed !

On this special day, here is a mathematical proof of love, including graph:
Thank you for the cartoid.
Monday, February 14, 2011

Listens to His Wife

Hi Ed,

More follow up from workshop...

I am seeing positive changes in my relationship with [my wife], as a result of my focus on an intimacy-centric model.

Though I don’t think of myself as a controlling person, I do sometimes fall into making unsolicited suggestions. Last night I came home after work and asked [her] how her day went. She proceeded to tell me about a conflict she was having with her father and how she had gotten into a big argument with him. She was clearly very frustrated and upset.

My first inclination in these situations is to listen for a short while, then (at some point in the discussion) interrupt and interject my opinion of how she can ‘fix’ the situation.

This time was different.

I kept my mouth closed, looked into her eyes and just listened carefully to her – while occasionally asking how she felt. I listened and received her for about 20 minutes. When she finished telling me about her frustration, I again asked her how she felt. She said she felt crummy, but that she has an idea of how to handle the situation the next time she sees her father.

She then thanked me for listening.

So, it does appear you can teach an old dog new tricks!

All the best,
Thank you for sharing your process.

When You Start Listening to Others

you lower their volume.

Monday, February 14, 2011

Religion / Libertarian / Knowing What To Do

Hello Ed,

The last tribe meeting brought to me a lot of interesting insights. I am really amazed how much I can learn from the experience of others.

A fellow tribe member discusses the relationship between TTP and the teachings of the Catholic Church. I notice how angry I am at the Catholic Church, well I must say that the feeling is towards organized religion in general but my knowledge is deeper in the Catholic case.

I can't think of any other institution where its teachings are as different as TTP, celebrating how people really are is not really the holly church's way of life.

However I also notice that I tend to get mad at any sort of extremist institutions or people like Communist, The religious right, etc.

As a libertarian I can't stand people telling me or others what to do. I notice that I have trouble listen to people I clearly disagree with. However I do celebrate my fellow tribe member quest for meaning in his life and I am happy he finds something that makes him happy. I guess this is very TTP then.

The second important insight is how we can deal with people we don't like through intimacy. This is a revolutionary concept to me. It seems incredible we can gain control by giving up control and engage in intimacy with people. This appeals to me since I have big problems with a number of family members, this model could serve me well either solving relationships that have potential or putting distance with people who are not any good to me.

I am also very happy I ring some bells with my comments about "knowing what you want to do". This seems a very powerful concept. I notice how we keep describing our problems in terms of what we don't want. If you are thinking about what you don't want, that is exactly what you are going to get, this is one of those things easy to understand but difficult to apply, I hope I will have the chance to work on it.

In the TTP intimacy model, we generally express our feelings about things (such as religious teachings); we also listen to the feelings of others.

We do not, however, judge if others are "right or wrong" or attempt to change their viewpoints.
 Monday, February 14, 2011

What Reality Really Is

Dear Ed,

During several hot seats which I manage I enter trance. We both (hot seat and I) realize how reality indeed is, how we project our feelings on it and distort our perception, and that, if we accept reality the way it is, we know exactly what to do and how to react. This is really huge, superior, a spiritual knowledge, and we feel it very real. Now, I realize and know how everything works.

However, I cannot apply this knowledge, since I realize that I am not free of judgment, and project my emotions on the reality, which results in drama.

Gosh, being there felt great, but it is not perpetual! I know that what we human beings do is ridiculous, but still I cannot stop doing it!

I would like to discuss it with you and eventually learn from your experience. If you agree, I would like to call you in a couple of days.

If you feel that I am just generating some drama, I appreciate if you point at it.

Best regards,
In the TTP control model, "reality" is an agreement.  We can agree, for example, that printing money "causes" inflation.  Others may have a different reality, say, that printing money "causes" jobs. 

People with different realities may try to argue their cases.  The winner may get the right to impose his reality on the loser.

In the TTP intimacy model, we do not consider reality; we share experiences.  One experience might link printing money and inflation; another experience might link printing money with jobs.  In the TTP intimacy model, both parties send and receive their experiences and acknowledge each other.

Alternate Realities

 A woman emerging from an old man’s ear.

A woman and a man sitting down
playing the guitar while looking at each other.

An old woman and an old man
face to face starring down each other.

A gold vase between an old woman and man.

Monday, February 14, 2011

Sales Calls & Connecting

Dear Ed,

Our call last week has me thinking about my approach for making clients calls and my strategy for raising money for my fund.

On some days I am eager to make calls and approach potential clients. I start off feeling excitement. I look forward to telling people about my business.

After a couple of days the process becomes a difficult task. I feel exhaustion and run down. I approach the calls with fear and trepidation. I don’t feel like making any calls for a couple of days and I stop altogether.

I get into a gloomy mood and start to feel sorry for myself.

My pattern is to struggle through just like in all my other endeavors. The feelings that come up when I feel like this are loneliness and fear. I also feel anger with myself for not being able to close accounts and for not being a natural salesman.

Our discussion has me thinking about my process. I feel my issue is deeper than making sales calls and closing accounts. I find that it has more to do with the fact that I do not naturally connect with people and my habit of struggling, worrying and punishing myself.

Over the past few days I pay attention to myself as I go about my day and how I connect with people. I notice that I am not very good at connecting with people and developing intimacy. My relationships are transactional. I don’t connect on a deep level whether the people are my wife, friends, associates or potential clients that I am presenting my fund to. I am getting what I want.

I stick to my own ways and get on with my activities without interacting/connecting much with others. They in return don’t connect with me. I notice how the feedback loop works.

I feel a lot of sadness about this. I stop a couple of times while I write this as I notice how I set this up and how many of my relationships lack intimacy. I wonder what my intention is.

If I don’t connect with people then I don’t have to tell them about myself. I get what I want –

I don’t want to open up so I don’t connect with others and avoid developing any intimacy. To develop intimacy I have to share myself and be accept others as they are. I wonder if I am afraid of rejection or perhaps that I have low self esteem and perhaps don’t particularly like myself so I don’t open up to others.

I notice these are deep issues which I feel some resistance to put on paper. Writing this email is a start-stop process and takes a couple of days.

Thank you for supporting and encouraging me to explore this issue.

Kind regards,
Thank you for sharing your process.

In the control-centric relationship model, we try to say and do the "right thing" to get the client to say yes.  Rejection is a property of getting a no.

In the intimacy-centric model, we connect with the client and then mutually discover if we are a match.

Sunday, February 13, 2011

TTP and Religion:
On Anger and Lust -
Inherently Sinful or Positive Intention

Dear Ed,

Thank you for the opportunity to address your questions regarding the teachings of the Catholic Church and that of TTP at the tribe meeting. Reconciling the teachings of the Tribe with my Catholic faith is something I have been thinking about since the Austin Tribe Series started. I have been pleased to find that there is much in common between what the Church proposes for our belief, and what is held in TTP. Here is my report on this for FAQ, which you requested.

You write: "In TTP we hold that all feelings (including anger and lust) have positive intentions and that sharing feelings - particularly early and before they build up - is essential to living the intimacy-centric model."

The Catholic Church also teaches that anger and lust are part of human nature, ordained by God, and are, essentially, morally neutral. St. Thomas Aquinas, in his great synthesis of all human philosophy with the Catholic faith, The Summa Theologica, says:

"1. The passions of the soul as movements of man's sensitive part are outside the scope of moral classification; they are neither morally good nor morally bad. But in so far as these passions are truly of the soul because the will accepts them and renders them voluntary, they have moral goodness or moral evil. When the will permits a disorder, an inordinateness, in the passions they are evil. But the passions rightly controlled by reason (that is, the intellectually illuminated will) are the occasions of virtue, not of vice. Thus, for example, love, hope, and desire enhance and do not defile, the will's drive for good."
["A Tour of the Summa" by Msgr. Paul J. Glenn]

You write: "In the teachings of various churches, including the Catholic Church, I gather that some feelings are sinful, particularly anger and lust; consider a strict interpretation of Matthew 5:28: 'Whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.'"

Coincidentally, this discourse of Jesus, which follows the Beatitudes (be attitudes?) in his Sermon on the Mount, was part of the gospel reading at Sunday Mass today, and our pastor gave a homily that would have been an even better presentation for the tribe on the question of whether the feelings of anger or lust were in themselves sinful than I gave. It is funny but not surprising when these sort of coincidences happen - there are no accidents.

The Catholic Church believes that the feeling of sexual attraction is part of our being - it is what we do with that feeling that gives the feeling moral voltage - either positive or negative. The church holds that the proper ordered function (the "positive intention") of sexual attraction is to bind a man and his wife in marital intimacy in a fruitful loving union in which they participate together in the physical sacramental sign of their marriage, the fruit of which, God willing, is their participation in the miracle of the creation of a new life out of that act.

Contrarily, the Catholic Encyclopedia defines Lust as:

The inordinate craving for, or indulgence of, the carnal pleasure which is experienced in the human organs of generation. The wrongfulness of lust is reducible to this: that venereal satisfaction is sought for either outside wedlock or, at any rate, in a manner which is contrary to the laws that govern marital intercourse. Every such criminal indulgence is a mortal sin, provided of course, it be voluntary in itself and fully deliberate.

So, given that, the Church holds that a man may see an attractive woman who is not his wife and be stirred by feelings of sexual attraction, but Jesus says that the sin is in lust *after* her - that is, he lingers with the thoughts, encouraging them by turning them over in his mind, stoking the fires of passion with an illicit desire for this woman who is not his wife - then that man is, as Jesus saying, committing adultery in his mind. This is considered a sinful choice on the person who indulges in it because it may stir him into actions which go beyond reason. The peccant member needs very little in the way of encouragement in these matters, and once stirred into a passion, provokes a strong desire for satisfaction which may manifest itself in other sinful behaviors. In that way, lust is considered a 'capital' vice - which means a feeling that, when willfully indulged, like a gateway drug, can easily lead to other, perhaps worse, sins. Anger can function the same way.

Both lust and anger are like loaded guns, which are themselves morally neutral, and can be used for good, but the moral voltage is completely dependent on how it is used by the person who holds the gun.

As an example of a more ordered response, one that expresses the same feeling of attraction in a reasoned way, directs the feeling to God, who is all truth, all beauty, all mercy, all justice, in gratitude for the beauty of his creation, admiration for His handiwork. The man's ordered response expresses the feeling, rather than repressing it, but expresses it in prayer to God.

In a higher degree of Christian perfection the person may achieve and maintain the virtue of purity, which prevents the person from even feeling the beginnings of sexual attraction when presented with a sexually attractive person. St. Thomas Aquinas composed a prayer for this, which many Catholics use to help them receive the grace to repel the assault of sexualized images which pervade our culture of porn:

Dearest Jesus! I know well that every perfect
gift, and above all others that of chastity,
depends upon the most powerful assistance of Thy
Providence, and that without Thee a creature can
do nothing. Therefore, I pray Thee to defend, with
Thy grace, chastity and purity in my soul as well
as in my body. And if I have ever received through
my senses any impression that could stain my
chastity and purity, do Thou, Who art the Supreme
Lord of all my powers, take it from me, that I may
with an immaculate heart advance in Thy love and
service, offering myself chaste all the days
of my life on the most pure altar of Thy Divinity. Amen.

We are conditioned by our culture to indulge our every impulse - our commercial media and corporate economy depend on the ability of advertising to stimulate a desire in the consumer which a company's products can satisfy. There are no commercial interests in our materialist culture which have a profit motive in promoting the virtue of temperance - of being in control of one's passions and regulating them with reason. Our system seeks by its nature, and perhaps not even consciously on the part of most who are participating in it, to enslave the citizens to their unbridled passions in order to render them more well-behaved consumers, who reliably respond to media messages directing them what they need to buy.

In that sense, the Catholic Church is counter-cultural, because it holds that the only true lasting joy, satisfaction and happiness comes from God's grace, not some product found at the mall. The only sure travel destination which will give us pleasure is heaven, not Vegas, or "Sin City" which, like Hell, what goes there stays there - forever.

With regards to the feeling of Anger, the Church holds that anger can be a virtue, but again, only when it is not restrained by reason. Here is the entry on the Catholic Encyclopedia on "Anger":

"Anger — The desire of vengeance. Its ethical rating depends upon the quality of the vengeance and the quantity of the passion. When these are in conformity with the prescriptions of balanced reason, anger is not a sin. It is rather a praiseworthy thing and justifiable with a proper zeal. It becomes sinful when it is sought to wreak vengeance upon one who has not deserved it, or to a greater extent than it has been deserved, or in conflict with the dispositions of law, or from an improper motive. The sin is then in a general sense mortal as being opposed to justice and charity. It may, however, be venial because the punishment aimed at is but a trifling one or because of lack of full deliberation. Likewise, anger is sinful when there is an undue vehemence in the passion itself, whether inwardly or outwardly. Ordinarily it is then accounted a venial sin unless the excess be so great as to go counter seriously to the love of God or of one' neighbour."

In today's gospel reading, Jesus teaches his followers that if a man is angry with his brother, and he about to make an offering to God, "go first to be reconciled to thy brother: and then coming thou shalt offer thy gift." Jesus teaches that forgiveness is all. This idea is reiterated when his followers asks how we are to pray to God. He teaches them the Our Father prayer which has a killer line in it: "Forgive us our trespasses (our sins) as we forgive those who trespass against us." What makes this an especially tough hurdle is that we are telling God to grant us the same forgiveness we grant to others - so if we are unforgiving, so too will God be unforgiving with us.

The Apostle Paul in a letter written to the faithful of the church at Ephesus, echoes Jesus' teaching in a discussion of anger: "Be angry, and sin not. Let not the sun go down upon your anger. Give not place to the devil."

In other words, if you have anger, don't hold onto it. It is important to express your anger so it doesn't fester inside, becoming a malignant tumor, producing bitterness, unhappiness and cutting the angry person off from intimate communion with God's saving grace, from feeling God's love and mercy and becoming a conduit for that grace in the world. In TTP's more secular vision, the anger becomes a barrier to intimacy with your loved ones and others in the world - it becomes a wall through which love cannot penetrate, alienating the angry person.

Applying these lessons to my personal journey, when I responded to my wife's loud scolding in our quarrel (reported earlier on FAQ) by consciously putting on the same tone and volume to which she had been subjecting me, I was certainly expressing anger and frustration, but my "rage" was wholly reigned in by reason. It was calculated for effect, and not out of control, and when I stopped, I was back to my previous calm tone. I felt clear, not enraged, as I had been able to give vent to my feelings of anger, but once I had expressed them, they were gone. Afterwards, apologized to my wife and kids, because that sort of an outburst was not in character to me and it probably startled them, but I explained to them that I was just making an example of what it would be like if both of us used the same tactics in expressing our frustration with each other. The episode was healing for me and my wife - we had both had an opportunity to express our feelings, but we also had a good mutual lesson that we needed to express those feelings when they occur - and as the Apostle recommended "not let the sun go down on your anger."

Nevertheless, it had been almost a month since my last confession, so I took advantage of the opportunity yesterday at the Cathedral in our city, which makes the sacrament of confession available every day before all Masses, to have a conversation with Christ, in the personna of the confessor, about my outburst, to ask for the grace from God to help me be a better husband and father in those situations, and to allow me to be a conduit of his love and mercy to my family with the virtues of patience and understanding and the other gifts of the Holy Spirit. I have found that the Sacrament of Confession is a very powerful way to enlist God's help in tackling my tendency to sin, if I am only humble enough and repentant enough to ask for His help and resolve to amend my life. I can attest that this sacrament has been a very effective resource in bringing about positive change in my life, in helping me deal with sinful habits and addictions of long-standing.

By the way, the Confession app you featured in your screen shot is no substitution for the Sacrament of Confession in person - it is an aid to making a better self-examination so that the confession is complete and honest as possible. I have been using a similar app (iConfess) for the better part of the last year and it is very helpful.

Thank you for your presentation and research.

In Catholicism and in TTP

Feeling is not, in itself, a sin.
Acting-out a feeling might be a sin. 

Sunday, February 13, 2011

Going for Intimacy / Smolder-Free

Hi Ed,

I came away from the last tribe meeting with a few realizations. The first is knowing exactly what you want is half the battle of achievement. I also realized clarifying what you want is not as easy as it might seem. I feel like it has something to do with finding your unique talent and then finding a way to use that talent to help others. This realization has made me think I should shift my focus from taking to giving anywhere I can.

Secondly, I learned that applying the intimacy model in the real world is not easy. When you meet with business associates that have known you a long time its easy to fall back into old habits.

I have a long time friend in Austin who runs a trading business. I made arrangements to visit him after the meeting. When I visited him things were friendly at first but pretty soon he shifted the conversation toward a sales pitch why I should place my companies trading under his business.

I made a few weak attempts to change the subject but he just bull dozed me back into it. When this happened I felt angry and disgusted. I was caught under the bulldozer and did not tell him how I really felt, instead I backslid into my old habits of doing business: hold in my feelings and act passive aggressively.

After it was over I felt angry at myself for my failure to use the intimacy model. I thought a lot more about the situation and the theory of intentions = results and I realized that a part of me liked being chased by him and it was my intention that this drama play out. Typically after a situation like this happens I will do my best to cut the person that caused me to harbor feelings out of my life so I don't have to deal with those feelings again. Its a strategy of avoidance to protect myself. This time I'm determined to stand up for myself and express how I feel with clarity and candor.

I would also like to mention that before I boarded my flight home my usual smoldering feeling was absent. I felt calm and collected. When the flight was about to take off I noticed a strong urge to go to sleep. I resisted this urge and it went away after 5 minutes and the rest of the flight was comfortable. I have reached a new comfort with flying, but I noticed that I don't get the "payoff" for all the preflight stress when the flight ends. I used to get off the airplane and have a rush of euphoria. I no longer get that feeling, now its just a flat, dare I say boring situation. It reminds me of how good trading is usually flat/emotionless and can be boring. I know somewhere deep down a part of me hangs onto my personal dramas for fear of my life becoming boring if they all dissolve.

Thank you for sharing your process.
Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:29 AM

Wants to Support the Book


I want to offer my support in reaching your goal for the Austin tribe. I will be happy to read your book and give you feedback.

Saturday, February 12, 2011

Cartography Model

Hi Ed,

Do you have a copy of the subconscious mind / TTP process you show at the workshop in December?

Fredian Cartography of the Mind
Click here for larger version.

Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:21 PM

TTP Austin 2/10/11 meeting
Bullying and Teasing

Hi Ed,

I enjoyed the Tribe meeting and feel thankful that I am part of the group. This morning as I was waking up I started
realizing that I need to identify and isolate my defective trading patterns. These include:

a) Getting fearful when the profits increase

b) Taking counter trend trades and going unconscious when losses increase

c) Whipsaw action - I enter correctly, then later when things are going my way, then there is a pullback I exit out of fear.
Then I realize I acted out of fear and get back in again. This pattern accounts for about 50% of my trades - its wasteful
and expensive.

d) Getting overly convinced about an idea and blocking out all other data.

I got a lot out of [Name]'s hot seat as I have had similar issues.

Finally, I realized that I continue this teasing/bullying pattern. On Friday morning when [Name] came down with a notebook to place trades, I said "Lets take the opposite trade" and I noticed that I have this pattern. I will apologize
about this.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Saturday, February 12, 2011

TTP and Religion

Hi Ed -

I enjoyed the TTP & religion discussion. This is an area that is of interest to me and I would like to provide some analysis to the group for 10-15 minutes if you think it makes sense. The topic would be around control and intimacy models within religion.

The framework is that religion starts from the intimacy model and then increasingly develops control model components - and to use if effectively you have to be able to isolate the control model components and see more clearly why they exist.

I can provide some concrete examples / data if you would like.
I am open to reading your comments via FAQ contribution - and then possibly having you lead a section on the topic.
Saturday, February 12, 2011

Careful Reader

Dear Ed,

I receive the Trading Tribe Essentials Card and  Round Tuit! Thank you (also for the change).

I commit to completing TSP and reading FAQ end-to-end.

I observe a few items on TSP and FAQ that you may consider editing:

1. The last row of price data (05-07-22-F) appears twice on the metrics log for the Exponential Average Crossover System ( http://

2. With reference to Wants General Advice on February 17, 2010, you mention an LS4 glider, however the picture shown is that of an LS8.

3. With reference to your response to Million-Billion-Aire on January 18, 2009, I wonder if you assume a 5 pip stop loss for the 100% drawdown.

I feel some trepidation in sharing these observations with you.

Warm regards,
Thank you for sharing your process and for careful reading.
Saturday, February 12, 2011 5:56 AM

Control Model and Intimacy Model

Hi Ed,

I stumble on this book "How to Argue and Win Every Time" by Gerry Spence ... I'm interested in hearing about what you think and feel about "Control." Thanks.
You might consider taking your feelings about <control> to Tribe.
Thursday, February 10, 2011

Wants to Know What He Should Do

Hi Ed.

I would like to register to be one of TT member, so I attach my TTID as website's instruction.

So what should I do next.

With all best wish
FAQ does not tell people what they should do.  See Ground Rules.
Friday, February 11, 2011



Here's a poem about opportunity that I like.



They do me wrong who say I come no more,
When once I knock and fail to find you in;
For every day I stand outside your door
And bid you wake and rise to fight and win.

Wail not for precious chances passed away,
Weep not for golden ages on the wane!
Each night I burn the records of the day;
At sunrise every soul is born again.

Laugh like a boy at splendors that have fled,
To vanished joys be blind and deaf and dumb;
My judgments seal the dead past with its dead,
But never bind a moment yet to come.

Though deep in mire wring not your hands and weep;
I lend my arm to all who say, “I can!”
No shame-faced outcast ever sank so deep
But yet might rise and be again a man!

Dost thou behold thy lost youth all aghast?
Dost reel from righteous retribution’s blow?
Then turn from blotted archives of the past
And find the future’s pages white as snow.

Art thou a mourner? Rise thee from thy spell,
Art thou a sinner? Sins may be forgiven,
Each morning gives thee wings to flee from hell,
Each night a star to guide thy feet to heaven.


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Thank you for the poem.

Sometimes the motivation for creating inspirational, motivational exhortations has roots in despair and disappointment.
 Friday, February 11, 2011

Anxiety and Panic

Hey Ed,

I just wanted to say I enjoy reading the FAQ section. I have a tough question for you.

About two weeks ago I started to experience anxiety and panic attacks for the first time in my life. I am worried all the time and feel completely helpless.

I called a GP this morning to make an appointment for next week. I'm worried he will put me on antidepressants but I'm not sure I have any other options right now. Things are really bad with me at the moment and I don't have any idea what to do.

Is there any advice you could give me to help me through this? any books or methods that you might recommend?

okay, I hope for a quick response.

thank you,
Thank you for sharing your process.

In TTP we assist each other in developing our forms and noticing any childhood incidents that might associate.

Sometimes a form turns out to be a situational medicinal response pattern. By replacing it with a pro-active response pattern, it can disappear.

You might consider taking your feelings of <anxiety> to Tribe.

Adapin Amitriptyline Amoxapine Anafranil Celexa Cymbalta Desipramine Effexor Imipramine Lexapro Luvox Paxil Prozac Sarafem Trazodone Wellbutrin Zoloft

Ambien Ativan Klonopin Librium Valium Xanax

Other Medications
Abilify Adderall Depakote Haldol Ritalin Seroquel Strattera Zyprexa

Some Psycho-Active Substances

may induce dependency
and withdrawal symptoms.

Some Positive Intention of Fear and Worry

are to motivate
risk awareness and quality assurance.

Friday, February 11, 2011

Intimacy Model Provides Control Without Rejection

Dear Ed,

Thank you for hosting another great tribe meeting.

While acting in my supporting role during the hot seat session, I have an epiphany about the intimacy model. Prior to the meeting, my impression is that the intimacy model is passive relative to the control model. I now believe this far from the case.

When employed effectively, as is done by you, Ed, during the role-play, it can be assertive and puts one in total control of the situation.

Ironically, it seems that one has more control in the intimacy model then when using the control model. It also seems to provide for a non-combative format to be honest with people in a way that doesn’t reject the other person(s).

I continue to enjoy getting to know my fellow tribe members, and feel a strong bond with the group.

Thank you for sharing your process.