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Jul 10, 2014

Island Life


I guess this means that you won't be in Reno any time soon.

Fortunately you weren't in Austin over the last few days so you didn't have to deal with the confusion and inconvenience when POTUS is in the area.

Hope island living works for you.
Thank you for expressing your concern.

Hmmm ... I notice, since my arrival into Latin America, lots of people leaving and heading to Texas.
Jul 10, 2014

Brazil & Germany

Dear Sir,

I sit at your feet and listen.

You stated the real world axiom "Your intention is equal to your result."

In the matter of Brazil vs Germany in the World Cup Soccer would it then imply that the Brazilian team and nation are very crude but ultimately generous hosts.

I apologize for the jest.

Thank you for this opportunity to be in communication with you.

Thank you for raising this issue.

I = R implies the intention for Germany to score seven goals, Brazil one.

It does not imply anything about the identity or properties of the teams or nations.

In strict SVOp-b, we avoid the verb, to be ; literally, a thing cannot equal another thing.

You can re-write, for example, as: The host behaves in a crude and generous way.
Jul 10, 2014

Pyramiding on Corrections

Dear Sir,

I sit at you feet and listen.

I have a question, here it is.

In the book "Reminiscence of a Stock Operator," the narrator depicts a incident where the "Old Turkey" did not want to give up his position in the bull market, to buy in again on the correction as his protagonist was insisting he must do.

In the first "Market Wizards" book you depict a similar incident where your trading system was long, but "management" wanted to take the trade on a "correction."

There is a special significance to a traders initial trade in a "play?"

My logic dictates therefore that it would have been a better play to "pyramid" on corrections but to have the initial trade intact?

The rigid clear construct of your mind is a wondrous temple to me.

Thank you for raising this issue.

You might consider taking your feelings about <perfection> and <getting something for nothing> to Tribe.

Buy the Dip

Sell the collapse.

August 2014 Soybeans

Jul 10, 2014



So, Puerto Rico ?
Si, Puerto Rico !
Jul 10, 2014

Doesn't Like the Word, Entitlement


I think the word "entitlement" has become an inflammatory word because of its present use in politics. I think there are "softer" words that can be used to describe matters of the heart vs politics. Entitlement seems like a harsh, cold word. Feelings of love of the heart are soft, warm and fragile

I don't think we should live in isolation from people, but I think there is a certain amount of inner work we need to do to become centered within ourselves to relate to people on a higher more non-selfish or egotistical level. Eckhart tolle calls this being in "stillness." When we spend time in "stillness", we become more "enlightened" or "aware" or "conscious". Then we can relate to people in a different matter.

"The word enlightenment is simply your natural state of felt oneness with Being." --Eckhart tolle the power of now

"Our outer purpose changes with circumstances and necessarily involves time, whereas our inner purpose remains always the same: It is to be absolutely present in whatever we do and so let our actions be guided and empowered by awareness, the awakened consciousness." -- Eckhart tolle a new earth

Thank you for sharing your process.

I wonder if you feel you have an entitlement to compel people to favor soft words over harsh, cold ones.

I wonder where I can look up a list of soft, harsh, cold words.

You might consider taking your feelings about <people using harsh, cold words> to Tribe.

People Can Get
an Entitlement Rock

from their parents.

People Can Get
an Entitlement Rock

from their government,

People Who Get
an Entitlement Rock

generally don't like
to talk about it

and/or try to change
the topic.

Jul 10, 2014

More on I=R: Respondability (see previous)

Dear Ed,

Wow, thank you! Your explanation of the I=R dynamic and especially the concept of "respondability" clarifies so much for me.

I think I finally get it. I feel happy and light-hearted about making decisions now.

Thanks again.

Thank you for responding.
Jul 10, 2014

World Cup Emotions


Argentina wins against Holland! I experience an intense joy and I am glad to share it with you!

[I come from Argentina and now reside in Germany.]

Best regards,

Thank you for sharing your process.

Hmmm ... Argentina and Germany.

I wonder which team you favor now.

Jul 10, 2014

Music From a Prior Era


Check out this video of Glen Miller from the Big Band era.

Thank you for sharing the link.

Jul 10, 2014



I love math.

The odds of winning the Florida lottery are 1 in 22,957,480.

The odds of a disk drive failing in any given month are roughly one in 36.

The odds of seven different drives failing in the same month (like what happened at the IRS) is 36 to the 7th power = 1 in 78,664,164,096.

In other words, the odds are greater to will win the Florida Lottery 342 times than to have seven hard drives crash in the same month.

Thank you for sharing your analytics.

You might consider the probability of something happening - once it happens - might lie closer to 100%.

I make the probability of this type of thing happening quite high.

For more on my reasoning, see my book, Govopoly in the 39th Day.
Jul 10, 2014

Feeling Manifestations - No Drama


(TTP) grows to be a major influence in my life - feeling physical manifestations of feelings in the body. Helps insight and the welcome synthesis a lot. Oughtta do it more often. Thank you once more.

Pictures of my two year old at Lake Tahoe were taken in 1994, no recent stuff, you know what I mean to convey. No major changes with trading success - like divorces, extravagancies.

Best wishes for your move to Puerto Rico (although I understand changing geographics much less than I did when I was younger and extremely logistically disposed).

Best regards,
Thank you for sharing your process.
Jul 9, 2014

More On Heartbreak (see previous)


I ask that you reconsider your use of the word "entitlement" to describe the dynamics of heartbreak.

Perhaps because of how the word is often used currently, there is the suggestion of arrogance, demanding or expecting something to be given without putting forth any effort.

None of the examples I use in my contribution would seem to include such an attitude.

Perhaps "expectation" or "assumption" would better capture my meaning, if not yours.

Thank you for clarifying your position.

I wonder where in your body you experience disappointment and heartbreak.

In my experience, a failure of reality to live up to expectation or assumption can induce disappointment - heartbreak typically results from a higher level of attachment, such as in entitlement.

The Brazilian Lady in the picture below has a look of deep disappointment or heartbreak associating with the feeling of entitlement for Brazil (the World Cup sponsor) to win - and then suffering a 7-1 humiliation by Germany.

You may feel disappointment at my response to your e-mail, associating with some assumptions about the meanings of words.

You might consider taking you feelings of <disappointment> and <heartbreak> to Tribe.
Jul 9, 2014

Wants to Know the Next Step

Dear Mr. Seykota,

That is an honor to have you answer the questions. However I still feel lost and cannot comprehend how to get started. I cannot attend any TT meetings as I live outside US and the countries listed. What would my starting step be?

Thanks for the help and patience.

Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings about <can't do that> to Tribe.

If you can't do that, you might consider starting your own Tribe.

If you can't do that, you might consider experiencing the results you get with <can't do that>.

If you can't do that, you might consider noticing your success and consistency with <can't do that>.

Jul 9, 2014

Tribe Report - Rocks or Bust


Reflecting on Ed's reply I suggest our theme for next time should be "Rocks or Bust". That is we pull all stops to do a rocks process unless the person pulls out for lack of willingness. And we pull out all stops in providing a field of support to help the person maximize the feeling if that is their intention.

Looking at our last tribe:

[Name] could easily have done a HS and rocks. I can easily think of donors and strategies.

[N2]: We had the case of your Dad getting mad when you spent your pocket money "the wrong way". Who donated your response?

[N3]: Perhaps a senior partner sharing with you the strategy of running things in crisis mode and working all nighters to meet the deadlines. "and you can use this strategy in real life - it doesn't matter if you overcommit because you can always pull a rabbit out of the hat".

What does everyone think?

BTW at the same time I do think it is legitimate to use goals and recording feelings as a way to amp up the intensity of the issue for the next iteration.

My first three days records of feelings about doing my physics:

Physics feelings: Did not want to commit to recording feelings in real time. Finsihed revising chapter. Now feeling keen. I think I can do it.
Physics feelings: It took me 3 hours to get done what I need to get
done to finish my studies in the time planned. I feel frustration
at the slow progress. My algebra is a bit rusty but that does not
bother me apart from it slowing me down. I understand the concepts
OK. I feel frustrated also that I picked a mediocre text book for
this subject and it is probably too late to switch now as I am 3/4
of the way through. I need to find a way to make faster progress or
to rethink my expected rate of progress or commit more time than I
had planned (1 hour a day was the plan).
Physics feelings: Did my 3 questions in a bit over an hour. Starting to feel more encouraged. Even found a simpler and better solution than the one in the back of the book.

Thank you for sharing your process.
Jul 8, 2014


Dear Ed,

I continue to explore the feeling of heartbreak.

The word that captures the essence of the feeling is "disillusionment".

In the example you cite, that of the repeatedly disappointed lover, perhaps the disillusionment is necessary since, in your words, the heartbreak stems from "trying to hold on to something you do not own."

In other cases the disillusionment may reflect a simple belief that shatters:

a loved one dies and our belief that we would spend many years with them shatters; a parent strikes a child in anger and the child's belief in unconditional love and safety shatters; our body breaks down and our belief that life would continue as it has been is shattered.

I now see heartbreak as the core human experience that we all share. I might even suggest that our first heartbreak occurs at birth, when our illusion of oneness and effortless security is shattered.

Perhaps we spend our lives seeking to restore that oneness, and learning that we really can't.

But through our broken hearts we can truly connect with all the others who share our pain.

As Thornton Wilder writes, "In love's service only wounded soldiers can serve."

Thank you for providing a forum for us all to share our feelings.

Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings of <heartbreak> to Tribe.

Heartbreak Occurs

when reality collides
with the notion of entitlement.

Jul 8, 2014

More on I = R and Responsibility

Dear Ed,

Thank you for helping me clarify what you mean by "Intention = Results".

My confusion stems from viewing the word "Intention" as indicating my specific desire rather than the overall structure of the system of which I am a part.

So perhaps it would be correct to say, "It is the intention of the system of which I am a part that you arrive late to the meeting," (to continue using the example of the late-arriving Tribe member).

Even if I send a taxi around to collect all the members, and make sure they are all picked up early, and direct the taxi to take a low-traffic route, an 18-wheeler full of high-fructose corn syrup might still jackknife in front of the taxi and prevent everyone from arriving on time.

I guess the system includes the entire universe and therefore I can't really impact the group's overall intention. Or can I?

Does taking action in a proactive fashion mean that I do the best I can while accepting that the whole thing could still turn out differently than I personally "intend"?

I'm serious about trying to understand my responsibility for the results I observe in my life.


Thank you for sharing your process and for raising this issue.

Responsibility implies a duty or obligation to perform.

Ultimately, you cannot guarantee an outcome, so you cannot guarantee performance or take total responsibility.

You can, however develop your respondability - your ability to respond proactively, rather than medicinally, in the ever-evolving moment of now.
Jul 8, 2014

Wants to Follow

Mr. Seykota,

Ok but how can i learn your trading tribe ? Can you help me please.i am 35 years old and i wanna be successful like you.
Best regards.

Thank you for raising this issue.

You cannot do it like me; you must do it like you.

You might consider taking you feelings about <independence> to Tribe.
Jul 8, 2014

System Evolution

Hello Mr. Seykota,

I'm a recent graduate and currently living in Los Angeles, CA. At my time in school I was making a decent profit trading options on the SPX but shortly after graduating I lost it all on the January correction of this year. Since then I have dedicated myself to becoming more educated, disciplined, and physiologically acute when it comes to my trading. I've learned how to balance proper risk management with my trades, a plethora of technical indicators and techniques, and now I'm currently working on refining my own specific edge that can be correlated to trading.

I recently finished the book "Market Wizards" where I first heard of you and have to say you were one of the most inspiring traders in the book for me. I was hoping I could pick your brain on a few trading related topics as I'm still green when it comes to actively trading the Forex and Futures market? Also I know "Market Wizards" was published quite awhile ago and considering your trading was very computer program based I'm very curious to hear how it has evolved through the passing of time?

I know you most be exceedingly busy but I would really appreciate any response or time that you may have. In any case assuming you have read this entire email thank you and I'll look forward to a reply.


Thank you for sharing your process.

The basic rules of Trend Trading: ride winners; cut losers; manage risk - same rules now as then.

You might consider taking your feelings about <wanting perfection> to Tribe.
Jul 8, 2014

Wants to Ensure Robustness


Thank you very much for the connection. Do you have any advice for a new commodity trading advisor (CTA) such as myself? I have backtested my system for 10 years, and live tested it for 4 years. My system has performed more than 3,600 trades during the past 4 years of live trading. What else can I do to ensure the robust of my trading system?

Thank you for raising this issue,

Something robust has the ability to withstand and overcome adverse conditions. By ensuring something you make it sure, certain and safe; you guarantee it.

You might consider taking your feelings about <risk> to tribe.

How to Guarantee
that your system can withstand
adverse conditions:

stop trading.

Jul 8, 2014

Pissing on the Pissers


India has a novel approach to behavior modification.
Thank you for sharing the link.
Jul 8, 2014

Tribe Meeting Report


3 members in attendance with interstate members back next time and member 5 on record saying he plans to return next meeting. I am almost late and have to run up the hill from the ferry to make it. We still start a bit late as I have some dinner after arriving and we catch up for a while. With only three tonight of us there is plenty of time.

After drumming, we check in. Member 1 is chairing Tribe this week. All members are making good progress apart from member 1's health issues which he is frustrated about and progress is more or less stalled on his weight loss and fitness.

After exercises everyone reports a hot seat issue.

Member 1 reports some improvement in his health issues but has been troubled by a 'flat' feeling at times. His trading is going well - up 18% year to date - but he feels anxious that it will all fall apart and he could have done a lot better without a bad period of not following his system a few months back.

Member 1 ramps up the feelings with encouragement from the rest of us. I feel he gives it a red hot go - previously he has trouble getting hot seats going. At the high point no past instance comes to mind but he becomes aware that in his job for 50 years now he has constant pressure, tight deadlines, crises. We then discuss his health problems and his overall situation and conclude the best next step is

a) Consider whether to vary his approach from pressure, crises, over-commitment, which he has seemingly learned from his job.
b) Record times when he feels flat and try to feel the feeling in full and see what it tells him
c) Review his goals to check for over-commitment which the other members feel is fairly obviously the case, and in this context consider having a bit of a break or holiday. Also complete the monthly report due very soon. Some of this may help and some may help surface the feelings and issues. Other members express concern that Member 1 look after himself.

Member 2 reports feelings of self-criticism. He makes mistakes - social faux pas or trading mistakes - they are rarely of major proportions - and then past instances of messing things up flash into his mind and conjures up the feeling of being a fool. He also has the feeling at times of not living up to his potential, which he associates in part with these mistakes.

Member 2 goes into hot seat and ramp up feelings and associated body movements. Reaches a high point and the only incident he can recall is his father "giving" him pocket money and then getting very upset when he spends it in a way his father does not like - as an 8 year old he buys toy racing cars which he likes.

Hot seat reports the insight that he has the choice to sit in the moment and make a considered decision rather than being impulsive. We debate whether the hot seat is thinking about overriding impulses - you should not usually need to censor your impulses - it should flow smoothly if all is well. Or whether he is talking about being in the moment and allowing your feelings to happen naturally. Although when hot seat makes mistakes he can remember many other incidents and berate himself about them, at the moment they will not come to mind. After discussion we decide on some homework

a) Record at the time, when he feels self-criticism, what was happening and other incidents that come to mind
b) Hot seat also reports getting angry with people over fairly minor things where they fail to do the right thing e.g. walk on the correct side of the footpath, or answer the door promptly when he calls to start his work. Record in writing these as well and how it feels
c) Also - previously raised issue of "failing to fulfill my potential: - record each day an estimate of to what degree (%) he fulfilled his potential that day and how that feels.

Member 3 (me) is stalled on his science studies - the material is a bit difficult and he dislikes the feeling of not understanding and floundering and feeling stupid.

Member 3 does not feel hot in the moment of how. Others suggest

a) To start work on his science studies every day and note down how that feels and what happens.

First day's note: It took me 3 hours to get done what I need to get done to finish my studies in the time planned. I feel frustration at the slow progress. My algebra is a bit rusty but that does not bother me apart from it slowing me down. I understand the concepts OK. I feel frustrated also that I picked a mediocre text book for this subject and it is probably too late to switch now as I am 3/4 of the way through. I need to find a way to make faster progress or to rethink my expected rate of progress or commit more time than I had planned (1 hour a day was the plan).

We finish in good time and check out and review our homework as above.

On the way home on the train (2 hour trip) I ask two people to be quiet on the quiet carriage. One apologizes and moves to the non-quiet carriage. The other couple loudly claim they were not talking loudly, and they just can't believe this etc. I just receive them and then say 'I thought you might not have noticed the signs about the quiet carriage". They then move to a non-quiet carriage. This is pretty typical - not everyone responds positively but there is a lack of drama. One person said "No I like doing what I'm doing" but then actually quietened down. It seems now that my intention is to get people to let the rest of us work and read in peace, whereas before my hot seat on this topic a while back my intention was apparently to create drama. See "Apr 20, 2014 Tribe Report"

Thank you for sharing your process and for documenting your meeting.

In the TTP Rocks Process, we generally start with a client feeling, encourage it into a form, freeze the form, identify a critical event, role play the event to identify the perpetrator and rock donor, fore-give medicinal rocks, implement a Heart Rock, re-run the role play and then return to the original issue.

At this point, the client generally expresses insights and lays out his own plan for action.

In your variation, I gather you skip the part about fore-giving Medicinal Rocks and accepting a Heart Rock - and you add a part about members giving each other advice and homework.

TTP develops empirically, by experimentation, trial and error and by innovating variations, such as yours.

I'd like to know how your advice-and-homework method pans out.

Alternatively, you might consider taking your feelings about <wanting to fix people> to Tribe as an entry point.

Jul 8, 2014

Wants books in Turkish

Hi Mr. Seykota,

I am your fan from Turkey. Do you have any Turkish book about Trading?

Best Regards.

Sorduğunuz için teşekkür ederiz. Ben hiçbir Türk kitaplar var. Ben sadece İngilizce kitaplar var.
Jul 7, 2014

Austin Tribe Meeting – June 26, 2014

The Tribe meeting begins and we share feelings about our Tribe Leader who has left the group. We leave his usual chair open in his honor and we wish him well.

A Tribe Member takes the Hot Seat and relates that he is frustrated with his mother’s attempts to convert his in laws to her religious beliefs. He is angry and wants her to stop. His attempts at controlling her behavior are in vain. While his mother in law is dying, his mother sends books for her to read about religious conversion. The Hot Seat becomes angry and admonishes his mother for trying to proselytize his wife’s family. She acknowledges this issue then sends books to his grieving father in law anyway and he becomes angry with her again. We role play these two situations and we establish that this is his pattern. We continue to role-play until the Hot Seat is unwilling to go further because he realizes that his mother’s religious drive is about a brother who dies. The process ends.

I take the Hot Seat next. When talking with people in the animation business they tell me that I need to go back to school for formal training. I find an art school in California that provides excellent training in learning 3D animation. I feel sad about what my friends and family will think of me leaving. I feel a strong pull to stay in Texas.

I feel concern about their feelings and leaving them. I get into forms and feel extremely sad. I remember a time when I am very young and try to run away from home. I leave a note saying goodbye. I don’t get very far and turn around to head home. When I get home my mother finds the note and is crying uncontrollably. She said that she doesn’t want me to leave. I feel very guilty and sad that I make my mother experience such sorrow. I agree not to leave her.

We role-play this scenario in the Tribe. We determine that my father is the rock donor because when he and my mother argue he always threatens to leave and my mother chases him down. She cries and he agrees to stay. I accept the rock from my father and accept the Heart rock with the new resources. I return the rock to my father that he originally gives me. We role-play the situation again when I come home and use the new resources from the Heart rock.

When I come back and see my mother crying I tell her I feel sad. I ask her to share her feelings. She says she feels sad and doesn’t want me to leave. I thank her for telling me her feelings. I tell her that I must go off to do what I need to do. There are things I want to accomplish and I need to go away. She says she is sad but supportive of my efforts. We hug. This is a very difficult issue for me because I have a lot of judgments about my feelings. I still feel those judgments about this problem but now I enjoy them.

Next, the Tribe does a Judgment Process in which we tell each Tribe Member a positive and negative judgment about them. When it is my turn to receive negative and positive judgments I feel a bit of a sting. I find it a good exercise. I sense it punches a button for my need for perfection and my problem with authority. These are issues that I want to bring up at the next Tribe meeting.
Thank you for sharing your process and for documenting your meeting.
Jul 7, 2014

Course for Beginners

Dear All,

I m looking to start learning to trade and would to know if you offer training for beginners?

Thank you


Welcome to FAQ, a blog of the beginners, by the beginners and for the beginners.
Jul 6, 2014

Wants a Tribe in Missouri

Hello there,

I spoke to you previously in regards to the Trading Tribe in Missouri.

I have been unable to connect with that Tribe leader.

If you have an updated email address or phone number that would be much appreciated.

Or if this individual no longer trades maybe I could have the honor of starting a tribe here in MO.

Thanks for your time.

Talk soon

Thank you for sharing your process.

If you start a new Tribe, let me know so I can post it to the Tribe Directory.

Jul 6, 2014

Marriage Trend


I feel numb, the feelings seem buried. I dont know what to express. I don't know if the trend of my marriage has changed, or are my eyes finally open to the real trend, or is this just a retracement. My gut tells me to cut my losses but I struggle with feelings of giving up and making a mistake. I know intentions=results. Im willing to explore these feelings and the blindspot I feel toward love, pain, and not deserving. But then again i dont know where my blind spot is. I feel confused and scared.

Thank you for sharing your process.

You might consider taking your feelings of <numb> and <gut> to Tribe as entry points.

Jul 6, 2014



As "Intention= result", what does "WISH" mean in TTP concept?

Usually, people think "wish=intention", but it seems not to be the meaning in TTP.
Thank you for raising this issue.

A wish consists of feeling of desire (such as longing, yearning, craving) plus an object (such as a new F-150).

Some people might have an intention to realize such a wish and actually acquire the truck.

Others might have an intention to broadcast their wish to others and and then do nothing to realize it - and then make it their signature topic of discussion.

You can identify the intention by observing the result.

Jul 5, 2014

Confusion About Intentions = Results

Dear Ed,

I continue to struggle with the concept of "intention = results" in situations where an event occurs that I have no control over.

For instance, when a member arrives late to a Tribe meeting, the other members are asked to acknowledge that it was their intention for the member to be late.

Now I wonder, does that mean it is my intention to have no influence over the actions of the other parts of the system?

That's the only way I can get my head around the idea that it is the intention of every part of the system for the system to behave as it does.

"Intention" suggests "want to" to me, so maybe that's where my confusion lies; I don't "want" that member to be late for the meeting, but perhaps my failure to try to influence his arrival time is my part in the process.

But that doesn't seem correct either, since it would be me trying to control him.

Perhaps you can help clarify this issue for me.


Thank you for raising this issue.

Perhaps you might think of the intention of a system as its structure and the result as its behavior.

Then, as the structure generates the behavior, intention equals results.

For example, a system in which people do not really care one way or the other about showing up on time (the structure and intention) may have people showing up late (the behavior and result).

To the extent that you participate in that system, you contribute to the structure and the total group intention.

If you feel very strongly about people showing up on time, you can change the structure (group intention) by calling people to remind them, establishing rewards and punishments, sending a taxi around to collect them, etc.

You can determine your intentions by noticing the results you get.

For more on holding intentions for others to arrive on time see:

The Darktown Strutters Ball

Words and Music by Shelton Brooks, 1927
Rendition by Ted Lewis

I'll be down to get you in a taxi, honey.
You better be ready about a half-past eight.
Now honey, don't be late.

I want to be there when the band starts playing.

Jul 5, 2014

Puerto Rico

Dear Ed,

So you are in Puerto Rico now. As I don't know how much time you plan to spend there, I wonder if your Austin address is still valid.

A hug

Thank you for raising this issue.

I now have my home in Puerto Rico. I conduct my business and write this column from here. I plan to host a Tribe meeting here in August - and possibly also a Workshop later in the year.
Jul 4, 2014



Pop quiz time! Which of the following sentences is correct?

The reason why they got married is they love each other.

The reason that they got married is they love each other.

The reason they got married is they love each other.

The reason why they got married is because they love each other.

Thank you for raising this issue.

In my book, Govopoly, I develop the notion that causality and "trigger models" do not provide much of a basis for understanding dynamic systems. Feedback models provide a better basis.

Your four sentences all invoke causality. As such, none of them, ultimately, make any sense.

For example, you might consider interpreting the sentence to imply that all lovers marry. The sentence also includes the possibility of the loving couple marrying other people.

You don't have a grammar problem as much as a logic problem. Using SVO-p (Subject, Verb, Object - present tense) grammar tends to weed out such problems.
Jul 4, 2014



I choose to live in solitude and to meditate and develop myself spiritually. I struggle with acedia. I'd like to know your take on it.
Thank you for raising this issue.

The word, acedia, derives from the Greek akēdeia ( a + kēdos, care) meaning indifference. It generally refers to a condition that monks experience, along with torpor, apathy, ennui, listlessness, sloth and boredom.

The classic spiritual remedy includes performing physical work, even to the extent of weaving baskets and then burning them and weaving more.

In my view, solitary meditation represents a form of the DIM (Do It Myself) process. TTP rests on the notion of active participation in the personal growth of others and encourages active sharing and receiving of feelings and forms.

Life derives meaning from connection, from sharing and receiving feelings and from supporting people in finding pro-active responses. As such, a solitary life may drift toward the torpor of disconnection.

As the Govopoly system assimilates the free-competition sector, entitlement mentality comes to replace the free-competition method of pleasing others - and the society stagnates and manifests societal acedia.

You might consider taking your feelings about <acedia> to Tribe.


can motivate connection
and participation.

Jul 4, 2014

Tribe Report: Assuming Leadership


I enter the meeting with strong feelings. I have just come from the hospital where my wife was treated with a condition. I feel anger and frustration with our medical system and the implied agreements that you are forced to accept. The medical system will only provide service without a-priori agreement on fees and this creates drama because I am in a position where I must evaluate the value of medical services in monetary value against the value of my wife's fear about what is wrong with her. At the point the meeting begins, I have enough data to know that my wife does not have a serious neurological condition but that I must now deal with the "we serve you now, but tell you what it will cost later" reality of our medical system.

[I feel] excitement about leading the Tribe for the first time. I am uncertain about my execution of our processes and customs. In the end I trust the Tribe process and its energies to establish a trend and look forward to going with the flow.

We begin the meetings with our normal customs and the meeting begins to progress. The first process I initiate is one of clearing the issue of our previous Tribe leader leaving the tribe for the next few meetings. I have a desire to address the issue head on so that we can "clear" it. We all go around and share our feelings about the change in leadership. I feel more comfort after this is complete.

Since the result is that our leader left the Tribe I feel it is important that we all admit that it was our intention for him to do so. I feel a little pushy doing this but tying intentions to results is a key principle of TTP so I keep with the custom.

The second process is one where a Tribe member brings up feelings about his family and religion. We have probed this issue with this member in past meetings. His willingness to move forward in the past has been limited but more willingness appears during the meeting. He goes into his issues more and we even do some role playing. I am proud of this Tribe member because sharing feelings does not come naturally to this member.

His family shares a lot of judgments and his history in this environment has rubbed off on him. The key issues I observe are judgment of his family's actions around religion and lack of acceptance of their religious behavior.

The issue is explored to a point where it has not gone before but at one point he mentions the death of a sibling and I feel the willingness leave the member. One of the things I brought with me into the leadership role was to constantly assess willingness on part of the hot seat. As a leader the urge is to try and resolve every issue. I realize through reading TTP documents that the willingness must come from the Hotseat.

Since I see willingness evaporate upon the mention of the siblings death I suggest we table the issue until willingness reappears. I want to get to this member's rock prior to the end of the series but I understand that his growth must come at his own pace and I am happy that he has made so much progress.

The next process begins with just sharing feelings. The Hotseat believes he has a problem around wanting to go to art school in California. He is sad about leaving his family to do so. Similar to willingness the Tribe leader must also define the problem. We don't have a problem, we have a feeling.

The member is sad about leaving his family to go to California. There is no problem as moving should create feelings. He self initiates the process to try to get to a form. I am nervous about this because we do not have a problem yet but the Hotseat is becoming emotional and I feel like going with the trend so I let him ramp up but provide no encouragement because I see no problem.

I sit back and enjoy the feelings he is sharing. Someone in the group asks if his sadness is keeping him from going to California. The Hotseat says yes. We now have a clear problem.

The group kicks in and helps the Hotseat amp up his feelings. We then begin the familiar rocks process. With some clumsiness we establish a rock donor and walk the Hotseat through forgiving his rock and accepting the heart rock. His rock is that his father taught him to deal with his mother's emotion by "sticking around" and "coming back". The heart rock allows him to communicate his desires with others and share feelings about the lack of alignment of desires. The Hotseat feels relieved and I am happy to help with his development.

At the beginning of the meeting, when people are raising potential issues, I take notes and try to replicate the former leader's pattern of trying to recognize a theme for the meeting. The theme that I pick is judgment.

Many of the tribe members struggle with judgment. Some cannot even recognize judgment. Others have trouble knowing what to do when they are judged. In the past I have done a group judgment process. It is one where each member of the group spends time being judged. You go around the group and everyone makes a negative judgment about the person. The person responds "thank you" to each person. You then repeat the process with a positive judgment. Once again the only response is "thank you".

I notice that I have trouble judging some people where it comes easy to judge others. When I am in the judgment seat I do not like it but I do my best to feel the feelings that come up. More feelings come up when I am being negatively judged. I note this. In the end I feel this process has two goals. The first is to help people understand what a judgment is, the second is to give them tools to respond to judgments. We check out of the process and the Tribe appears to enjoy the process. This makes me feel happy and motivated to introduce new processes in the future. The tribe expressed desire to do a trading specific one next meeting and I am preparing that.

In the end I leave the meeting with a strong feeling of confidence and accomplishment. The tribe process is strong and has the ability to transcend individuals. I feel personal growth by participating in the experience of being a Tribe leader.

Note to the FAQ: This submission is provided 8 hours and 50 minutes past the agreed submission time line. I announce, in advance of the submission deadline, issues that stood in my way of completing an on-time report. It was my intention to do so without receiving permission to submit my report late. I accept the consequences of my actions.

Thank you for sharing your process, for documenting the meeting, for assuming the leadership of the Tribe and for conducting experiments and developing additional technology.

You might note that since you now lead the Tribe, you get to make the rules, so you have to check with yourself to see if you comply.

You might consider taking your feelings about <complying with authority> to Tribe.

Jul 3, 2014

Group Dynamics

Dear Ed,

I enjoy the study of system dynamics, especially small group dynamics.

I notice the reports from some of the Austin Tribe members, following your announcement that you have moved out of the country before completing the Tribe series.

The Tribe members mention sadness and disappointment.

They also report having a productive Tribe meeting that ends with what seems a highly unusual exercise: they take turns giving and receiving negative and positive judgments about each other. They state that everyone enjoys this exercise.

As I read their reports I feel anxiety. I notice that I feel more apprehensive about having to give a negative judgment than about receiving one. I also notice a feeling of fear of an "out of control" group that has lost its leader (see "Lord of the Flies").

The exercise seems contrary to the usual guidelines for Tribe interactions, which in my experience do not stray into direct inter-member confrontation or personal criticism.

I wonder if the exercise grows out of Tribal energy that relates to your departure.

I wonder what judgments, positive as well as negative, might emerge toward your empty chair.

Human behavior never ceases to fascinate me, despite my studying it for decades and having been one for even longer.

Thank you for sharing your process and concerns.

TTP proceeds empirically, through trial and error.

The Austin Tribe, now under new leadership, has the freedom to grow in new directions.

You might consider taking your feelings about <chaos> to Tribe as an entry point.
Jul 3, 2014

A Weighty Topic


I continue my process with my no-diet, no-exercise food program. Basically I eat when I feel hungry. In this process, I come to realize many other feelings that historically motivate medicinal "comfort" eating, such as: loneliness; frustration; anger; sadness; boredom; etc.

This process naturally brings up a lot of feelings. When they appear, I consider pro-active responses to deal with them, rather than medicate them with food.

I notice my body changing shape and I notice my clothing fitting differently. For example, I now wear my belt higher, around my stomach, rather than lower, just above my hip bones.

I also notice having more energy and developing a taste for exercise, primarily walking.

I wish to acknowledge my Tribe for helping me to develop a pro-active relationship with hunger.

From 235 to 210 in 3.5 Months

No diet or exercise requirement.

Thank you for sharing your process.

In The Matter of Getting In Shape

Losing can equal winning.
Jul 3, 2014

Boston Tribe Now On-Line

Dear Ed,

I attach the Boston TTID update. Happy 4th!
Thank you for hosting a Tribe in Boston.

See the Tribe Directory for details on the new Boston Tribe.
Jul 2, 2014

Tribe Meeting

Hi Ed,

We have 6 members in today's meeting.

We share our feeling about one member's recent move to another state. I tell the tribe that I find the Tribe is essential for my success since last year and I want to continue the Tribe work.

My local tribe is making good progress into a fully functional tribe, but I still want to continue my attendance of Austin Tribe to have better hot seat to work on my own issues and keep up with latest technologies. I feel insecure,sad and nervous, vulnerable, dependent on Tribe works, and I feel pressure to speed up building my own Tribe. I have a truck load of rocks need to work on. Eventually all of us have to be on our own and I really need a functional Tribe to keep up my trading performance, and keep myself on track in my trading and life.

One member checks in his issue with his mom. His mom tries to convert his mother in law before the in-law dies, even if the mother in law already has her own religion. At first The mom tells him she just wants to send the in-law a card. Then she sneaks in a package of religious materials. He doesn't know about it until his wife tells him. The wife is very mad about what his mom does.

We role play this situation. I volunteer to be the surrogate. I ask the mom how she feel about wanting to save the in-law. The mom shares with me her feeling of wanting to save people. The client later interrupts us and tell us that by watching the role-play, he realizes something.

He is actually trying to protect his mother, after his brother died. He doesn't want to go into details and wants to stop the process here. This is a incomplete process and tribe support his stop request. I notice the client never has an complete rock process since he joins the tribe. But every time he is getting deeper in his work.

The second hot seat client wants to go to an art school in another state. He keeps postponing sending out application and doesn't know the deadline for admission. Tribe helps him get into his forms, and freeze him at peak point. He recalls that when he was young boy, his parents have an argument. His dad leaves home and the mom starts to cry and call him back. The dad then comes back. The client then leaves a note and run away. Later he comes back for he can't let his mom to feel sad.

We role play this situation and find the dad is the rock donor. During the play, the client fore-give the rock to the dad and receive the heart rock. After the rock process, the client thanks the Tribe and tells the Tribe he gets a lot out of the process. He says that it takes great courage for him to bring this to Tribe and now he finally did it. We all are happy for him.

I checking my issue. When people say something nice to me, or give me positive comment, I feel uneasy and shy, and always say something to invalidate myself. And when people say something bad about me, I also feel uneasy and painful. I want to be able to response in a more rational manner. PM points out that it relates to my response pattern to judgements.

So Tribe does a judgement process.

In this process, we run a circle and everybody says something bad about me. Then run another circle and everybody says something nice about me. Then we switch to the next person.

This make me have the same feelings of whipsaw. I like the process. The only thing is that it's too short. Every tribe member has only one chance to practice, total less than 2 minutes. I feel I want to be in this kind of practice for couple more hours before it actually starts change my subconscious response. Or we can use it as prep to do a rock process.

Sometime during the meeting, when we are doing somebody else's process, somehow I recall an early incident. I recall that I am in the high school in a meeting room, with the teacher and some other students. Somehow I can't help smiling. It's a compulsive muscle movement on my face. I don't know why. I remember when I was young, I have such symptom. And when I smile, I actually am not thinking of anything happy or funny. It comes from no reason and nowhere and it's just something I can't help. It must look like a smirk.

The teacher notices this and starts to criticize me in front of other students, I feel sad and shame and try to stop the smirk but I can't. I struggle there and the teacher become even harsher. I feel shamed and helpless.

I don't know why this comes into my mind. I plan to work on a role play of this next time either in the Austin Tribe or in the local Tribe. I wonder if it relates to an issue Ed tells me before, that I sometimes can't speak clearly, not only in English, but also in my mother language. It must comes for some fear.


Thank you for sharing your process.


may include sharing
prickly feelings.
Jul 1, 2014

Shame, Disappointment and Re-Invention


I feel ashamed still for not having kept the agreement. Apparently, it was intention sabotage myself by not keeping my agreement with you. All of my family is also very disappointed in me as well.

I did it I followed my perfect set up for the reason for my failure. I established this pattern a long time ago, and it works perfectly every time.

I come close to doing what is necessary to succeed but then I ensure that I screw it up. I then gain the drama so I can experience the feelings that I need that I say I don't want to feel. I get to be self loathing, worthless, and then a nice long depression for a few months. This pattern has served me well ensuring that I won't have to deal with success.

I was unaware that I was setting myself up for this. I even drove the 8 hours to your house for the TT meeting and the Breathwork workshop without looking at your reply to my FAQ e-mail. I did have my simple system ready for your review as I was told. I had been working through my other goals. I just forgot to do the one really important thing. This fits my medicinal 'almost pattern'.

The 8 hour drive back gave me lots of time to reflect on the drama I had created. I now no longer was a member of the Austin Tribe. I had lost the support of that group. I really had time to wonder if I was really capable of being a successful Trader. I really was living a dream of going to Tribe and getting mentoring from you. I know the FAQ is there, but the responses are not the same as they are in person. I managed to keep this hope up for a few days….then I went into the pattern of depression until well this week.

I am working on making friends with my feelings now. I have decided that I am worthy of the success that I dream of having. I am willing to do the things necessary to start managing accounts.

I hope to move forward in ever evolving moments of now, so I can create the life I desire.


Thank you for sharing your process.

Sometimes The Best Way
to move people forward

includes drawing a line
to slow them down.

July 1, 2014

The Typewriter Song


I thought you would enjoy the video below.


Leroy Anderson (1908-1975) was an American composer of short, light concert pieces, many of which were introduced by the Boston Pops Orchestra under the direction of Arthur Fiedler. As with all his other compositions, Leroy Anderson wrote The Typewriter for orchestra, completing the work on October 9, 1950.

This particular orchestration was performed in a June 12, 2011 concert by members of the National Orchestra and Chorus of Spain in Madrid. The (typewriter) soloist is Alfredo Anaya.
Thank you for sending me the link.

This song seems to portend the use of typewriter keyboards to make all kinds of music these days,
Jul 1, 2014


Hi, Ed!

I read in some book about your breathing exercise. Could you teach me how to properly breathe?


Thank you for raising this issue.

I do not claim to know the proper way for you to breathe - or to tell you what you should do.

In TTP Breathwork, we use group process and hyperventilation to access subconscious states - and to support each other in self-examination and in personal growth.

If I sense a demand, I can host a Breathwork Weekend here in Puerto Rico.
Jul 1, 2014

Prices Here and There


You might find this interesting.


Singapore and U.S.A.

Thank you for sending me the comparison.

In Govopoly, I hold that prices and wages must eventually rise to discount the inflation in the money supply.
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