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Ed
Seykota's FAQ
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August 30, 2019
Tribe Meeting Report
Dear Sir,
Please find the Tribe Meeting Report for the Mumbai Tribe for 22 August 2019.
Check In
TM1-
He notices a growing distance between himself and his wife. He feels
that as he is drawing away from his wife, his wife is drawing away from
him. He feels hot about it.
TM2 (I) - I am confused about
my relationships and wonder if I should play the field or settle down.
I share that I feel anger towards my father when he does not stand up
for me during a project we are both working on with other partner's.
But I am able to share my feelings with him and the matter resolved
well.
I believe that this is a good change that takes
place after a Rocks Process during a previous meeting. I also recall an
incident from when I am around 4 or 5 where after my father moves to
another country and I am unsure of when I am to meet him again, my
mother leaves me home alone to run some errands at around 4 in the
evening and she does not return till after sunset.
I am
worried and as it starts to get dark, I am worried about her getting
back. I logically know that she will be back but I am scared by the
darkness falling and concerned as to why it is taking so long for her
to return. I sit immobilised on the sofa with only the light of the
television. After she returns, I share my fears and concerns and she
gives me a snarky and caustic reply along the lines of : “If you were
afraid, you should have gone and switched on the light.” I feel angry
and hurt by her reply. I also feel some lethargy around attending
therapy and Tribe Meetings, though the effects are there for me to see.
I am taking my relationship issues to the hotseat.
TM3 - He
shares that things are going well on the work front. After we undertake
a Rocks Process in the meeting on 8 August 2019, he meets the client
who previously irritated him and is able to communicate better with
him. He shares that his team finds a flaw in their trading system
between the cash/spot prices and the futures prices and rewrites the
code. He is also anxious about filing his taxes.
TM4 - He
shares that work is going well, but he feels anger at himself for
sending a very angry text on his family chat group. He and his family
are making plans for his wedding to be held in February, and he (TM4)
insists that everyone work on the same Google Sheet. However, he is
irritated by everyone making multiple documents and then sends an angry
text where he threatens to get married in a Court instead of the
elaborate ceremony the families (his own family and the fiances) are
planning to host. He wishes to take this to the hotseat.
We
feel that TM1 is the hottest but he refuses to take the hotseat as he
does not wish to “monopolize the time”, while referring to a hotseat
process he undertakes 2 meetings ago. We feels that “not wanting to monopolize time” can also be a good entry point. TM4 then takes the hotseat.
Hotseat 1
TM4 takes the hotseat with I (TM2) as the Process Manager.
We
start with a lot of storytelling where HS recalls the incident. He
starts to wave his hands. We ask him to crank it up. He soon starts
headbanging. As we continue the process, I freeze him. He shares 2
images he recalls from his school days. One where he ties his school
belt around his neck for humorous effect and another where he is
headbanging during a concert. He calls himself “stupid”.
He
also recalls playing Table Tennis with his cousin recently, after a
long pause due to his shoulder surgery, where he loses the first 2
rounds and ends up winning the game. He lovingly taunts his cousin by
saying “I’ll defeat you my bitch” while headbanging.
We
cheer his process and ask him to crank it up. He moves his head side to
side and I ask him to crank it up. I freeze him and test for
willingness. He realizes he loves being a “cartoon” who jokes around
with his friends and family to have fun, he feels happy. He is willing
and we continue the process. He displays another form where he nods his
head vigorously. At one point in the process, I freeze him. He sits in
the chair for a few seconds. I probe him about any memories or images.
He does not recall any. He ends the process.
HS Checkout
I feel that the process seemed to fizzle out, a sentiment echoed by TM1 & TM3. TM4 feels it is a medicinal process.
Hotseat 2
I (TM2) take the hotseat with TM1 as the Process Manager.
I
start with some story telling about my relationship issues and soon
feel a burning sensation on my right side, in the chest and extending
down to my stomach. I continue to feel the burn and I have an Aha!
I
make a connection where I do not talk to different crushes in school
for various reasons like shifting school during the 2nd grade and my
later school discontinuing co-education from 3rd grade onwards. Later
during my teenage years, I have a crush on someone but fall sick and
drop out of school for a year.
After I am back in school,
I am unable to contact her or find her. I laugh at this pattern and go
“How could this be happening again and again?” I keep feeling the
sensation. I recall an incident. After my father moves to another
country, I and my mother wind up affairs in our origin country.
I
have a large group of friends in the housing complex and suppress the
feeling of sadness in saying goodbye when leaving. I have known these
people for ages and play with them after school. I recall always
suppressing sadness when growing up, as the house situation is bad. I
continue to feel the burn and begin to feel a tightness around my
ankles & calves.
I also feel a tightness in my jaw
& remark that I clench my teeth. I stay with the tight jaw and the
Tribe cheers me on. I recall an incident when I am around 13 or 14. My
father refuses to buy me a gaming console, and I do not urge him as he
considers it expensive. I do not urge further as I am very wary of
spending money. My father then donates money nearly equal to the cost
of the console at a religious event.
I feel blocked and
angry but do not share it with my father. I continue to experience the
forms and I recall another incident from when I am around 4 or 5 years
old. My father promises to buy me a toy once I solve some math
problems. I solve them, but once I am done and demand the toy, my
father gets teary eyed and says we do not have enough money to buy the
toy.
I start getting angry and feel betrayed. My mother
then starts screaming at my father for getting us into such a mess.
Young me then tells Dad that it is okay if we do not buy the toy. I
recall feeling betrayed, sad and angry during and after this, but do
not share it with my father. I have another Aha! Where I think it is
from this incident from where my grades dip and I become less and less
interested in formal education.
I recall times when I feel
lazy enough not to write an answer in an exam, though I know. My grades
continue to dip. As I continue to feel the burn, I notice myself
suppressing a tear and the sadness. PM asks me how I feel about money
and I share that I have an ambiguous relationship with it. I am
terrified of not having it, but also do not want to appear desperate to
want it.
PM thinks that the incident where my father reneges on his promise may be Rock and
discusses it with the Tribe. We are not clear on how to proceed and
seek your guidance in what you think is the stressor and the donor of
the Rock. As I think over it after the meeting, I feel it is my
Mother who is the donor as she & my father do seem to have a
pattern of this sort.
She demands something from him. He
denies her and then she starts shouting. He then agrees by which time
she claims not to want whatever it is she demanded.
We end the process.
Hotseat Checkout
I
feel like windows to a stuffy room are now open & it is clearing
out. TM4 is happy about me opening up and sharing these things. He
believes there are multiple entry points and now that I am aware of
these things, we can work on them. He feels there may be multiple Rocks
here and we can work on them.
We also agree to meet earlier in the week once we have your guidance on the Rocks Process.
Meeting Checkout
We are all happy at the outcome of the meeting and the changes in our lives that we are making.
Regards,
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Thank you for sharing your process and for documenting your Tribe Meeting.
For more information on the Rocks Process, see TTP Extensions at Resources /TT Store. You may download a .PDF file for free.
The last two pages contain various definitions of terms.
A Rock represents some specific subconscious programming; it generates a response from a stimulus.
An
incident (not the same as a Rock) may include the donation of a Rock -
or the application of a Rock to generate a response from a stimulus.
I
might guess, in the incidents you cite, that your father acts as the
perpetrator, making promises and then making excuses for not keeping
his promises.
Then your mother donates one of her Rocks to
you to teach you how to convert your disappointment at your father's
betrayals --> shutting down and putting up with it.
This [Betrayal --> Shut Down] Rock also serves to attract other betrayers - so you get to repeat the pattern.
The
Rocks Process continues by fore-giving (returning) the Rock to your
mother, with love and appreciation, and against her resistance to
reclaim it.
You may then receive a Heart Rock that responds to the stimulus with intimacy-centric relating.
Further, you can re-run the role playing and notice you get different results.
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August 29, 2019
Performance
Hello Austin Tribe,
Recently
I sit and think about how I view performance at my work and create the
attached slides, but I believe it can be applied to performing in
anything. I hope this may help anyone or if anyone has thoughts on how
it can be improved.
The conclusion that can be drawn from
the model is that performance isn't how hard we think we can try
because we can't do better than our baseline capability. This helps
free me from trying so hard and not getting the outcome I want in work.
All I can do is try something and learn from it and keep trying.
Also
note that I have placed the model in a Field of Truth. The model
doesn't work optimally outside it. You have to be truthful with your
self to work from your baseline capability and improve on it.
Kind regards,
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Thank you for sharing your process.
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August 28, 2019
Workshop Application
What I want to change in my life
I want to identify and build an audience. I enjoy connecting with people. I enjoy sharing my insights.
Over the years, I have found modest success in a number of areas, from product development to storytelling.
Where I find the experience enjoyable, it always follows the same
pattern. I learn about an issue that is important to a community; I
distill my understanding of the issue to a set of assumptions; I frame
the issue in a novel way.
This re-framing can mean a
product that is cheaper to manufacture or easier to use. It can be an
entertaining take on an everyday situation or a classic story. I want
to be more intentional in identifying an audience that wants the
insights I can offer.
So far, my engagements, even where
successful, are the result of circumstance, or a situation into which I
stumble without a conscious plan. I want more intentional clarity about
the audience I want to engage, and how I can grow the relationship.
Feelings I most and least enjoy
I like gratitude—both sending and receiving it. One of the first things I noticed about Ed was his consistency
in thinking his correspondents, even ones he disagrees with. This is
one if the first lessons I learned in Tribe—that I want people to
participate in my process, and that I want to thank them for that.
I
find it equally enjoyable to receive others' gratitude. I feel that I'm
making a meaningful, useful difference in someone's life when I receive
gratitude.
I like love. I think the first time I
experienced it fully was when I was holding my newborn daughter in my
arms for the first time. I have three children now, and I never tire of
telling them how much I love them, and all the things I like about
them. I melt when one or another of them hugs me, or runs to me when I
come home.
I've learned to appreciate feelings like fear and
anger and rejection, which previously I might refer to as "negative."
I've learned the value of the insight they bring to me.
I enjoy the feeling of insight, of an AHA moment. I like the feeling when disparate facts click together and understanding makes the world less arbitrary. I enjoy experiencing this feeling myself, and equally helping others achieve their AHA moments.
I dread loneliness. I remember thinking of myself as an introvert. As I get older, I discover how much I crave company and audience. One of the most uncomfortable eventualities for me is waking up to discover that no one wants my company.
I
have a hard time with envy, especially receiving it from other people.
I spend a lot of energy avoiding situations where someone can "you have
too much of this; you must give it to me." This ties together with the
next one:
Coercion. I hate finding myself in a situation where another person can force me to do what I dislike, where I feel that every alternative I have is worse than complying with a request that is mean or frivolous.
I find it equally difficult to tell people what I want them to do if I
have the power to coerce them. I am comfortable telling engineers who
works for me what I want them to design; I can explain the goal to them
and let them use their creativity to accomplish the purpose. As against
that, I have great difficulty asking anything of the housekeeper that
my wife hired. The housekeeper complies without questions or feedback,
and I feel awful about the interaction.
How I want my life to turn out in 10 years
In
2029, my oldest daughter is in college. I have given her the nurturing
that I can. She has begun her independent life. My younger
children are 12 and 10, and perhaps I have another one, 8 or so.
These younger kids and I go sailing and flying and doing whatever
other hobbies we invent as they grow up. I teach them about the
world and they teach me about the joy of life. I have a following. In 2019, I'm unclear on what it is—perhaps a customer base, or a viewership, or a readership,
or perhaps a student body. I have colleagues who are on this journey
with me. Together we delight the audience. I have a mate who I
love and cherish, and she in turn supports me in my continuing
growth. I have friends who enjoy my company and
whose company I enjoy. We turn to each other to share the joys and
challenges in our lives.
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Thank you for sending me your application.
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August
28, 2019
Keeping Cool
Ed,
I occasionally immerse myself in ice water as part of my spiritual practice.
Normally,
I have to spend hours on the setup, getting ice cubes and bringing the
temperature of my bathtub water to near freezing.
I now have a new method. I use a freezer that doubles as a bathtub and also keeps the water cold between sessions.

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Chillin'
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Thank you for sharing your br-r-r-rocess.
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August
28, 2019
Power Trading
Hi Ed,
Yesterday I go back to work to solve the crisis. I write a software
module which I test well and it is merging into a platform but the
software stop working. Management thinks my software has
problem.
I come in early Monday morning and start to test with my coworker.
Managers takes turns to coming in and sit with us. It takes a long day.
Somehow I am not very nervous and keep my mind calm and organized. I
might still be in the trance from you. I isolate all risk
factors and test one by one. And gradually narrow down to another
module in the platform, designed by other engineers.
We are close but still can’t figure out what’s wrong with that module.
Suddenly in a lightening short moment I realize what it is then test my
idea and it works. I find out it’s a race condition bug.
Their software sends a message to a queue but asks the recipient to
check the mail before they actually submit the message, which cause the
message lost.
That moment when I reach the discovery, is a moment with pure hunch,
gut feeling or an Aha after lengthy logic exploration. It's
hard to reproduce such process.
I then start to wondering if the best power trading moment is similar
to such moment after lengthy intensive logic thinking, pressured and
emotional stress, continuous focus and an Aha comes from nowhere, or
from deep feelings. I wonder if this is the way of power trading?
Thanks,
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Thank
you for raising this issue.
You might consider the conditions under which you receive your best
Ahas.
You might also consider how to know the difference between "intuition"
and "into wishing."
If you can let go and go with the flow, without judgment or desire or
resistance, you might occasionally get a glimpse of the obvious.
You might consider taking you feelings about wanting to get rich quick
to Tribe as entry points.
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August
26, 2019
Some Sample
Essays
from Recent Workshop Applications
I.
What I want
to change in my life: I want to increase my sense of
self-valuation, and self-trust. I want to decrease how emotional
volatile I am. I want remove my top 3 k-nots of hesitation.
Feelings I
most and least enjoy: The feeling I enjoy the most is
feeling the presence of Almighty
God. The feeling I enjoy the least is feeling shame.
How I want my
life to turn out in 10 years: I want my life to fulfilling
spiritually, emotionally,
physically, and professionally. Spiritually, this involves mastering
prayer in an 8 hour period.
Emotionally, I am stable enough to maintain long term commitments
without fear of failure.
Physically, I reserve the capabilities to enjoy physical performance
sports such as running,
tennis, boxing, and mixed martial arts. I want my trading business to
be incorporated, earning
enough passive income to accomplish a balance of emotional and
financial profitability
II.
What I want
to change in my life.
I am currently living in Singapore, one of the most expensive city in
the world, everyone is busy working every day till retirement so they
can pay for their expensive life, high standard of living with low
quality of life. I run a small money management business as a licensed
portfolio manager, I wish to have better results in my business so I do
not have to handle clients complaints and criticism when I underperform
the market.
Another area I want to change in my life is to follow system better, it
is easy to build, easy to learn but it is still hard to follow through
on the entries and exits (especially after the recent drawdown, I did
not react quick enough to get back in). 2018 our portfolio was down by
14%, we see many of our investor were disappointed and left. I still
believe in Trend following, and I need to get back up.
Feelings I
most and least enjoy.
Feeling I enjoy the most is Happy - when I am riding a trend, when I
see that I am on the right stock with the right size and when I am able
to avoid the market fall by switching out to cash as the market fall.
Feeling I least enjoy is Sadness – when I have to cut loss, I don’t
know how I can enjoy cutting loss, even though I understand it is
taking out a tumor from the portfolio is a good thing. The feeling of
fear, failure also hits me when I am having drawdowns.
How I want my
life to turn out in 10 years.
I want to be able to manage more than 100 million in portfolio size
using trend following strategy. I am happy with what I am doing now, in
10 years’ time I want to live happily every day, play some music, stay
healthy, do some charity and see my children grow.
III.
Essays
What I want
to change in my life.
• Greater emotional control, I think I
have a fairly decent grasp on the ebb and flow of day to day life but
still very inexperienced when it comes to significant decisions and the
emotions that may come with that.
• Better self control, I have decision
making frameworks that have worked well for me in the past few years
but I find myself lacking the ability to consistently stick by some of
these decisions, for example to establish a habit to sleep earlier or
to eat healthier.
• In terms of trading, I’m an IT company
founder by trade and I run an online exchange, our company takes
positions sometimes and since reading the trading tribe I have noticed
that my knots do affect the way I engage with the market, I wish this
not to be the case.
• On less abstract terms, I’m currently
25 and the biggest thing I wish to change in my life is financial
status. My company is a new upstart in a large lucrative market but
it’s a rapidly changing ecosystem and to excel in this area requires
extraordinary performance.
• Resolve/patience, by all accounts I’m
a very smart and capable person but my desire for quick results has
cost me before where I do not explore a course of action to it’s
conclusion. I wish to change this, that is not to say I wish to become
stubbornly steadfast, but rather that I had the flexibility and
awareness to know when I’m undershooting or overshooting.
Feelings I
most and least enjoy.
• Least enjoy: jealousy and envy. Due to
the nature of my work and social circle, I’m constantly surrounded by
flashy things and people who live large. I recognize the value of this
as a motivator but I can also tell that there is a small but creeping
element of jealousy and envy. I do not wish for this to cause me to
make poor decisions.
• Most enjoy: growth and realization,
release from cognitive/mental blockages. Many times when I talk through
a difficulty I’m facing, not quite using the trading tribe process but
more of a talk therapy or even during ericksonian hypnosis, I or the
person I’m talking to comes to realize the critical insight that was
affecting me, I very much enjoy these moments.
• I also very much enjoy the feeling of
cognitive dissonance, this is somewhat tied to the point above but as
an instinct, whenever I face cognitive dissonance, my reaction is to
grind at it until it resolves. The resolve is probably the feeling I’m
more addicted to rather than the actual dissonance.
How I want my
life to turn out in 10 years.
• Financial independence is a large part
of it. I live in Hong Kong, which is a notoriously expensive place to
live and for the most part I just want to reach a comfortable level
financially.
• I currently have quite a fulfilling
relationship with my long time partner and I want to keep this
relationship healthy and to further mutual growth emotionally.
• I want to be an effective and
efficient person, someone who knows what they want and what they’re
like such that I can pursue my goals with the maximum leverage and the
lowest cost both in time and in resources.
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Thanks
to all the applicants for engaging the path of personal growth and
heading toward Right Livelihood.
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August
26, 2019
Trading
December 2019 Gold Futures
Hi Ed,
I am moving my stop to 1482.6. I am looking at the daily and longer
term chart and understand the cadence of the moves.
The first wave of volatility expansion hysteresis happen at 05/31/2019,
and the buying opportunity is 06/03/2019 for power trading.
The hysterics loop close at 6/17 and 2nd buying opportunity at
06/20/2019.
The third hysteresis close at 07/26/2019, and the 3rd buying
opportunity is at 08/05/2019, I get in at 08/06/2019.
That is the the rationale behind my trade. My observation is
that a new strong trend will have 3 - 4 hysteresis loop before a major
correction.
If last Friday breakout won’t sustain, it most likely start a longer
term correction.
Maybe few months. My entry was at the 3rd wave of hysteresis
and it will purely by luck to see if it can survive the correction. On
the other side, a major correction might help me to have a second
chance to re-entry and build a little bigger position.
Thanks,
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Thank
you for sending me your trading rationalle.
I do not recommend specific trades or system paramenters on FAQ.
See Ground Rules, above.

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The
Price of an Ounce of Gold
never changes.
It always sells for exactly
one ounce of gold.
The prices of various currencies
in terms of an ounce of gold
change quite a lot.
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Photo
Credit: U.S. Mint |
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August
25, 2019
Market
Research
Hello Ed,
I have done some market research that I want to share with you.
Since coming back from my South Africa trip in March, every time I try
to work on my implementation of a moving average cross over system
built in Python I get strange feelings of tension and frustration.
Two weeks ago I realize that I push a lot an all areas of my life,
implementing the Now Pad at work, making progress on the plane dealing
process (I sell some of the planes and engines, I learn to tune
engines, I also restore one of the planes) and the tapering off
Bupropion project.
So I decide to take a break and go party with some friends in downtown
Austin on a Friday night and sleep in on Saturday. The next day, last
Sunday morning, I think of a line from a book I read "You must be able
to do something slowly before you have any chance of doing it
quickly" from the Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin. When I
think of that line I get a feeling to manually back test. So I have
iterated 2 or 3 times the layout of the formulas but what I'm sharing
in this email is the result of three manual back tests.
- Palladium 2 year Daily Fast(9) Slow(18)
- E Mini Gold Futures 3 year Daily Fast (5) Slow(12)
- E Mini Gold Futures 3 year Daily Fast(10) Slow(18)
The order listed above is the order in which I did the back testing. My
intention for the parameter of the first back test of the e mini gold
future was fast(9) Slow(18) but I changed computers after the Palladium
back test and mid-way through I saw the parameter on the charting
software was set Fast(5) Slow(12) so the reason why there is two e mini
gold back test is out of accident but I'm very glad this accident
happens as it gives me great insight.
I get to see that E Mini Gold Futures 3 year Daily Fast (5) Slow(12)
results are more consistent with what I read in a trend following book
and the FAQ page.
- Big wins tend to come after draw downs
- Draw downs of close to 50% are common but then profits after such
drawdowns can be close or over 100%
There is an extra tab called "Method" in the workbook named E Mini Gold
Futures 3 year Daily Fast (5) Slow(12). This has screen shots and a
short description of the method I use in manual back testing
I wonder if you have any thoughts about the back tests you want to
share.
Best
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Thank
you for sharing your process and for sending me your research.
I do not recommend specific trades or system parameters on FAQ.
See Ground Rules, above.
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August
25, 2019
Tribe Meeting
report
Dear Ed,
Below is the Tribe Meeting Report dated 8th august 2019.
After the drumming session, we proceed to check in.
Check In
TM1 - He discovers a flaw in his trading process that he is working on
to rectify. He recalls that in the last meeting he had a snapshot
process to increase his AUM but he
realizes that following the process is more important goal
and in the past when he had followed his process he was able to get
larger AUM then he had ever projected for. He has nothing specific to
work on this day.
TM2- He shares that the projects he is working on are going good but is
worried about
his partner's screwing him over. He recalls a time when
his father gives a Television set they had won in a raffle draw to
another person & has similar feelings about the business
partner's now. He also feels some lethargy around personal growth as he
thinks he is in a good place and does see the positive effects of TTP
& Psychotherapy but also feels
lethargic about moving ahead on the path.
TM3 - I attend a 10 day Vipassana meditation course for the 4th time
and feel happy afterwards. I am joining the tribe after 2 or 3 Tribe
meetings. I share that I have an aha moment in
the vipassana course. I feel that I am extremely self-centered and egoistic
person and all my past disputes are because of this, like my house, my
mother, my ball, the girl not speaking to me and so on. I share an
argument I had with a client where the client asks me not to trade 2
specific stocks in his account. I argue that one has to follow the
process and systematic trading is not done this way.
After my check in, TM2 thinks that I am very hot and points out other
discretionary managers who also have great performance records.
TM4 ask both of us to continue arguing. TM4 then asks me to share my
feelings and the Tribe flows into a process. I inform that the Tribe
that I feel extremely
irritated and angry. TM4(PM) asks me how does irritation
and anger feel in my body? I start stamping my legs on the ground and
after multiple of forms and attempts, the PM freezes me. I feel a cool
moving pain in my back and neck. The PM checks for the willingness and
I say I am not willing
to give up. PM probes on what it feels to me to not give up.
The forms get intense and the PM freezes me again.
I now recall a memory from my school days where I and my classmates are
walking towards the PT ground and someone
pulls my socks from my torn shoe. I fall and get severe
pain in my right leg. After I reach home, my parents apply balm
thinking it to be a muscle pain. After a day they take me to the family
doctor who informs us that it is a fracture and it would have to be
plastered and I will not
be able to go to school and play for about 2-3 months. I feel irritated
and sad about it.
The Tribe takes a break and we role play this incident. We do not get
any strong stressors in the role play and decide to continue the
hotseat.
During the hotseat, I recall another incident. On checking, I inform
the Tribe that this irritation on something not happening as per my
expectation is passed on to me by my mother during a different
incident. In about 1984, my father suffers a brain tumor and he is
unable to pay a debt. The debtors demand my uncle to pay back the debt.
Soon after, my uncle
gets drunk and holds a knife at my mother's neck forces her to sell her
family jewels to pay off the debt. My father & I
see all this. After the uncle leaves, my mother argues with my father.
The Tribe enacts this entire incident. The Tribe figures there is a
medicinal rock which my mother passes on to me, where she reacts in an
irritated and angry manner in situations where she has to compromise.
The Tribe re-enacts the scenes and role plays the fore-giving of the
medicinal rock; and gives me a Heart Rock. The essence of the heart
rock is: whenever I feel irritated and angry on similar occasions try
to listen to the other person and understand his issues and express my
feelings to him to find a solution which is acceptable and beneficial
to both. The Tribe also re-enacts the conversation between me and the
client. I release all members from their respective roles and process
ends. The process takes about 4 hours.
TM4 does his check-in. He is happy as his fiance has returned back. At
work, as one of his co-worker was let go earlier in the year, he had
been given added responsibilities, furthermore a new analyst joins the
firm and reports to TM4. He has nothing specific to work on this day.
In the check-out all agree that the process was quite intense and
entire Tribe is extremely committed and willing. We all thank each
other and the meeting ends.
Thanks & Rgds,
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Thank
you for sharing your process and for documenting your meeting -
especially your implementation of the Rocks Process.
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August
21, 2019
Mentee
(No Greeting)
How’s it going? I’m sure you get tons of emails from various people
looking to get into trend following, asset management or the related
and though I can’t promise to be any more interesting than the
aforementioned, I figured I’d go ahead and try to email you to see if
you take on any mentees in the form of clients, etc.
I’m an Econ/Comp Sci student at Harvard Extension (taking about 2
classes a semester) that quit his job to trade full time.
With a 1 year old daughter, it’s either the smartest or dumbest
decision I’ve ever made, time will tell, though I’m betting most would
say the latter, haha. Anyways, if you have some time, I’d love to chat,
With the utmost respect,
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Thank
you for raising the issue of applying for a mentorship.
I offer various vehicles for people wishing to master the theory and
application of TTP principles. You can read through FAQ and
also submit specific inquiries (free). You can purchase my books. You
can join a Tribe (free). You can attend a Workshop.
You can retain me for consulting in person or by chat.
See Resources and Ground Rules, above.
Occasionally a take on a protégé (aka, mentee) if I feel the
applicant has outstanding ability and character and can operate
fluently from both the heart and mind.
I wonder if Harvard Extension considers beginning a letter without a
greeting as a sign of "utmost respect".
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August
19, 2019
Active and
Open
(No Greeting)
Just wondering, is the Trading Tribe group still active and is it open
to newcomers? If so, what are the criteria for joining? Are
you still located near Lake Tahoe?
:-)
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Yes, I
have The Trading Tribe still active and open, and without criteria.
I suppose you might look at a world globe and consider Austin
near Lake Tahoe.
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August
18, 2019
Radial
Momentum
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I came across your Name because I am very interested in Trend
Following. Anyways, I went through your website and found your Theory
on Radial Momentum.
As a somewhat trained Engineer / Designer, I would like to express my
sympathy for your Theory. I believe it can certainly be correct, and
you have proven it with your experiments as far as I am concerned.
Here are two questions for you, if I may:
1) Reading through the conversation with this "Andrew“ http://www.seykota.com/rm/
Correspondence/2002/index.htm was painful for me. Very
painful to see you exerting so much energy towards an unimaginative
individual who clearly did not want to be convinced by someone who is
not above him in the academic hierarchy.
But as a Trend Follower, why waste that energy and not cut your losses
short? Move on to the next guy.
2) Given the theory so far of why airplanes fly is not correct: Could
your theory help to design a more efficient wing? One that uses less
fuel perhaps?
Or, put another way: How would an ideal Radial Momentum Wing look like?
Lastly, allow me an observation: As a Designer and Engineer, I am daily
overly concerned with the actual superficial presentation of ideas
rather than their content.
I understand that Engineers are generally much less concerned with such
trivialities. But the presentation of an idea can have as much real
world effect as the content of that idea.
In that regard, your website and photos etc. is lacking a bit perhaps.
Would better presentation make your theory better? No, of course not.
But would it help with a first impression, to be taken more seriously
and not be ridiculed as a crack-pot by some sinister souls out there?
It may.
with appreciation,
P.S. I noticed you live on Lake Tahoe. Great choice! I also live on a
lake with my family - but in beautiful Italy:-)
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Thank
you for raising these issues.
I recall having considerable interest in (1) modeling the aero-dynamics
of lift and (2) modeling the socio-dynamics of the propagation of a new
idea through the physics community.
An efficient wing would have (1) a small cross section so as
to offer less drag and (2) a mechanism to laminate the trailing air,
thereby minimizing turbulence.
The curve-top-flat-bottom shape of conventional wings does not
contribute directly to lift - although it may help indirectly, by
laminating air stream and reducing energy loss.
Please feel free to bring my presentation up to your standards - and
send it to me straight away so I can post it as a spiffy example.
I currently reside in Austin, Texas.
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August
14, 2019
Plunging
Cattle
Hi Ed,
I currently lost 72% of my account due to wrongly operated my algorithm
trading on multicharts, and following with a heavy shortfall of the
recent sudden fall in Live Cattle futures, really depressed now, it
toke away my effort in the past 1.5 years..
I really need your recommendation of my trades at this stage ... and
also what is your comment on the recent fall in Live Cattle futures?
Thank you for your time to read my words:)
Best regards,
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Thank
you for raising this issue.
You might consider taking your feelings about your trading to Tribe as
an
entry point.
Perhaps you can discover your intention = result.
Your answers may appear less on the cattle charts and more within
yourself.
Some people, upon seeing cattle starting to plunge, plunge right in
with them.
See: Video of Plunging Bovine

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October 2019 Live Cattle
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August
13, 2019
Wants to Take
it Further
Hi Ed,
I am interested in your workshops. I also see you offer consulting for
$5,000. I wanted to inquire about taking things further.
Do you offer mentorship? I am 35 years old and want nothing more than
to be a winning trader and am stopping at nothing to make it happen.
This is what I want to do with my life. All I do all day and night is
devour information on trading. Then I put in the screen time and watch
charts and put in trades. I have invested $10,000 on 2 different
trading courses and have learned a great deal about technical analysis,
options and expansion bars. But Im done trying to outsmart the market,
which results in varied results and improper risk management.
I just had a close friend of mine turn 150k into 10M in a year through
leverage and getting into a bitcoin long trade at the right time. But
the trade recently went against him, he had no stop loss, believed
there was no way the price could just keep dropping without rebounding
and got his whole 10M liquidated. I have learned a lot from him but the
trading style is stressful and not sustainable for a lifetime for me.
A few things I don’t have down is where to place stop losses, proper
risk management (I am trading with $125k) and how to pyramid orders.
Theres also the things that I dont know that I dont know. I have
decided on using a basic moving average system with some filters like
volume, Keltner channel and Bollinger bands to validate entries.
I am a sponge wanting to learn everything and be the best I can be. To
me trading is a not only a hobby and career I love since I am highly
analytical by nature, but also a vehicle to the life I want, to have
money work intelligently for me so I can develop my love for chess,
poker, music and making humanity better.
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Thank
you for raising these issues.
Although I do not publicly "offer" mentoring, I occasionally enter into
private mentoring relationships if I feel the students have talent,
good character and willingness to succeed.
I would have to agree with you avout the importance of having basic
knowledge about how to place stops and manage risk.
You might consider working through some of the exercises on
the Trading Systems Project (TSP) page to get a handle on how to
optimize your system parameters.
Also, you might consider signing up for my upcoming TTP Workshop,
November 8-10 in Austin, TX - details to appear soon.
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August
13, 2019
Insensitive
to Transaction Costs
Dear Mr Seykota,
What level of skid would you recommend for optimizing (or testing in
general) long-term trend following systems?
I know you use 50% skid for the S/R system and the exponential lag
system on your website.
But if the goal is to develop a system that is insensitive to
transaction costs - are there any reasons against testing/optimizing
with a skid level of 100%?
Best regards from Austria,
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Thank
you for raising this issue.
As I consider your goal, "to develop a system with no
sensitivity to transaction costs," I might hazard a guess
that your system optimizes by transacting no trades.
Other advantages of the no-trading system include that you don't need a
computer to run it, you can easily compute performance and you don't
even need to put money in a trading account.
You might consider taking your feelings about thinking clearly and
using very precise language, especially concerning trading, to Tribe as
an entry point.
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August
13, 2019
Wants to Not
Attend a Tribe Meeting
Hey Ed,
Do you have any recommendations or alternative methods for experiencing
the benefits of the Trading Tribe without attending one?
It's not that I don't want to attend but rather where I am (Hong Kong),
there aren't any Trading Tribes.
Do you think it's possible for me to build a two person Trading Tribe
with my long time girlfriend or attend some sort of Skype/video chat
based Trading Tribe?
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Thank
you for raising this issue.
Consider the difference between reading about riding a bicycle - and
actually riding a bicycle for the first time.
Consider the difference between reading about sex - and actually
experiencing sex for the first time.
Consider the difference between reading about TTP and actually
attending a Tribe Meeting for the first time.
I know of people with considerable Tribe experience who then go on to
apply the principles in their intimate relationships.
If two people in an intimate relationship, neither with Tribe
experience, form a Tribe - they typically derail the processes whenever
they start to deal with the power dynamics of the relationship.
You may register on the Tribe Reach-Out Page, at TT Services to connect
with others in your area.
You might consider attending a Workshop, say in Austin, November 8-10.
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August
11, 2019
Govopoly and
Documentary
Ed:
I wonder if you have seen this documentary before witting the book. It
is from 1995, or it seems so. Hope you will enjoy it. Happy belated
birthday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbarjpJhSLw
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Thank
you for raising this issue.
I do not recall seeing this documentary before your bringing it to my
attention.
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August
9, 2019
Applause Award
Hello Austin Tribe,
Thank you for being tribe members and friends.
Since I start attending tribe meetings, I try apply TTP throughout my
life and want to share my progress with you. I also wonder what
progress you guys have been making.
You might consider reading [my recent contributions to this column,
below].
You might consider sharing any thoughts or trying some of the process I
have been trying and let me know what type of results you get.
Update:
Monday morning this week I go through my work emails and see that I get
an "Applause Award" from my manager. I believe this is because of the
implementation of the Now Pad (a note pad used to write down the tasks
that have to be done now, some items are easy, some cause a lot of
tension that can be explored using solo TTP). Using the Now Pad is
helping me drive tasks to completion. I'm learning that completion can
be prioritized above pursuit of perfection.
I make progress towards right livelihood.
Thank you
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Thank
you for sharing your process.
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